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Old 01-28-2013, 08:26 AM  
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Alex Smith to ask for release

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If no draft picks are involved, does that change your opinion on bringing him in?

Draft pick, Smith, Stanzi(?) as your QB's in camp.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:57 PM   #286
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Not interested.
It's fair to not be interested, I was just making the statement that he is probably a league average starting QB, whereas the other two were career backup type players.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:57 PM   #287
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And we're conveniently ignoring the fact that the last two seasons he was a significantly better QB.

The 49ers benched a guy who was completing 70 percent of his passes at 8 yards per attempt. A guy who was 6-2-1 as a starter.

While I don't want Smith to be our only option as a starting QB, I won't cry if he's brought here to be a backup, nor will I attempt to undermine him based on statistics that don't really paint a true picture of the player.
Most people wouldn't have a problem with him coming here as a backup or a 24-month stop gap.

The problem is that those scenarios just aren't realistic.

A more likely scenario is the one HotCarl suggested - he comes in like Trent Green and starts for 5 or 6 years.

I love Trent but goddammit I am tired of other people's trash lining up at QB for the Chiefs.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:58 PM   #288
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You can say that but in reality a competition doesn't really happen between a rookie and a sure-to-be-paid-handsomely long-time starter.

Smith would be the starter, at least initially.
I suppose.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:58 PM   #289
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It's fair to not be interested, I was just making the statement that he is probably a league average starting QB, whereas the other two were career backup type players.
He's probably a little better than league average actually. I just don't want to get stuck at the cusp again and not be able to get over the hump.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:59 PM   #290
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It would be hard to picture him signing in KC. He deserves a starting shot in the league, and someone will give it to him. He wouldn't want to sign with a team that appeared to at least be an even chance to draft a 1st round QB
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:59 PM   #291
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If Reid and Dorsey decide not to draft a QB at 1, instead waiting until the 2nd, yeah bring in Smith.


However, if we draft a guy at 1, i'd prefer him to start right away. Trial by fire kinda thing.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:00 PM   #292
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Most people wouldn't have a problem with him coming here as a backup or a 24-month stop gap.

The problem is that those scenarios just aren't realistic.

A more likely scenario is the one HotCarl suggested - he comes in like Trent Green and starts for 5 or 6 years.

I love Trent but goddammit I am tired of other people's trash lining up at QB for the Chiefs.
I agree, but if he comes here debating "he is a 6.6 YPA QB" for 5 months is not something I want to read.

I don't think he's that guy, especially not with Reid coaching him.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:12 PM   #293
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I agree, but if he comes here debating "he is a 6.6 YPA QB" for 5 months is not something I want to read.

I don't think he's that guy, especially not with Reid coaching him.
I don't necessarily think he's the guy you saw in San Fran either. The 49ers protected him a lot with Frank Gore. He rarely had to throw the ball 35 times a game.

With Reid, he'd have to throw the ball A LOT more than he's used to and with that, I think his mistakes go up.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:21 PM   #294
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You know, the QB-or-bust crowd wouldn't jump down peoples' throats so often if it weren't for bitchy potshots that get fired across our bow all the time. It gets really ****ing tiring to read stuff like "Geno-is-God cult" and not respond to it. That kind of attitude is why the gloves come off so often. It's this dumbass notion that everybody needs to respect all opinions just because they're opinions.

Opinions can be wrong if they're not adequately supported, and that's why QB supporters get edgy, which is why you're being overly defensive about a simple question. Nobody was going to lambast you. People can read. They see the word "if" in your post. They know it's just a hypothetical.

As for an answer to your question, it doesn't make any sense at all for Alex Smith to ask for a release if the money isn't as good as what he's getting in San Fran. And that's regardless of if he gets a starting job or not. That's what's so weird about this. No team is going to want to pay him that much just to be a stop gap. You're going to have to find a team that actually wants him to be a long-term guy. And I don't know if he'll find many teams that want that.
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Frankie, this kind of shit is completely unnecessary.
SNR and htismaqe, compared to a lot of the Geno-or-bust posters you are two of the more informed posters. So when you post in support of Geno-at-the-top notion, I take it as your opinion that I just don't totally agree with. You have done some homework and arrived at the reason for supporting it.

I'm never a go-for-broke-blind kind of guy and I like to consider all options in my personal decisions. So I want to see the Chiefs be very careful in how they use the top pick. But you have to admit that there ARE those posters on your side too that are just posting as if Geno Smith IS the second coming of John Elway, but don't exactly know why. Most of their posts reflect lack of reasoning. This is a two way street. Those guys also post in a style of cutting down posters of or close to my POV. And more often than not they do it in the most deliberately disrespectful manner.

You two seem to get very defensive when someone posts like I did on the Geno matter. No need for that. If you have a history of informed football posts you should know I was not singling you out. I bet there has been football topics we have agreed on many times.

I posted my question the way I did because I know if I don't clearly qualify it like I did I would get replies and personal attacks, leaving me with the option of either engaging them in kind or regretting my return to this forum. I no longer have time nor appetite for that shit.

SNR, your answer to my question wasn't really the answer to my question. The question was based on the hypothesis that no first or 2nd round QB were taken and you as a fan had to live with an Alex Smith trade. What would be the maximum price (in draft picks or players) you would accept for our FO to pay for him. The contract stuff is left to the FO in this hypothesis and not our concern.

Again I'm asking this of anyone who wants to answer. And if you do, it is under the qualifications that I set up, so if any of you is attacked because of your answer, it is the attacker who looks stupid.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:25 PM   #295
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we should sign Smith

then the Chiefs can roll out their marketing campaign, "Back to the Future!"

maybe create some commercials where you see Bono's face morph into Grbac's face morph into Smith's face while ACDC plays in the back ground and the phrase "Most Wins in the 90's" flashes over the screen in comic sans....
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:25 PM   #296
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YPA with Smith is pretty silly. Alot of it has to do with the playcalling. They aren't a high receiving yardage team. Not even with Kaepernick. This has more to do with Roman's strategic offense than player ability.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:29 PM   #297
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I'd take him as an insurance policy for a rookie bust.

But, lets be honest, the guy is making starting money to sit on the bench and he wants out. He isn't going to sit on the bench somewhere else for backup money. He'll be a starter somewhere.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:31 PM   #298
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i would pay Smith extra to say he hates BBQ....
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:33 PM   #299
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the coolest part would be in the future, when all ex-49er QBs have a reunion....the ones without rings would be sitting together at the 'played for chiefs' table nearest the double doors to the Holiday Inn kitchen...
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how cool would it be if Smith wore #13?
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