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Old 01-28-2013, 08:26 AM  
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Alex Smith to ask for release

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If no draft picks are involved, does that change your opinion on bringing him in?

Draft pick, Smith, Stanzi(?) as your QB's in camp.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:25 PM   #481
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We're hostile towards him because he's a 49er castoff.

We lived through Joe Montana, Steve Bono, and Elvis Grbac - CONSECUTIVELY.

We haven't drafted a 1st round QB since TWELVE YEARS BEFORE YOUR FRANCHISE EXISTED.

So you can **** right off, Jag fan.

He plays for the 49ers. He does not play for the Chiefs. Calm down young man.

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How about FA? The choices there are a little rough too...
There are three guys coming out next year that I would take over anyone in this draft or in this free agency class. Gabbert is only 23, he can have one more year to prove he isn't a bust. If he's terrible, it's a one way ticket to Teddy/Tajh/Murray town.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:30 PM   #482
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He plays for the 49ers. He does not play for the Chiefs. Calm down young man.
Just the thought of him playing for the Chiefs is enough...

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There are three guys coming out next year that I would take over anyone in this draft or in this free agency class. Gabbert is only 23, he can have one more year to prove he isn't a bust. If he's terrible, it's a one way ticket to Teddy/Tajh/Murray town.
The fact you'd rather have Boyd or Murray over Geno or Wilson says quite a bit, IMO.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:32 PM   #483
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Just the thought of him playing for the Chiefs is enough...



The fact you'd rather have Boyd or Murray over Geno or Wilson says quite a bit, IMO.
Yea, it says that the Jaguars were last in the NFL in sacks...by 5. 5 ****ing sacks less than the 31st team.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/te...s/seasontype/2

I would need a crystal ball telling me Geno/Wilson are future hall of famers for me to want the Jags to take one of them #2 overall.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:47 PM   #484
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Just the thought of him playing for the Chiefs is enough...



The fact you'd rather have Boyd or Murray over Geno or Wilson says quite a bit, IMO.
What about McCarron? Would you take him this year over Geno? I think some people would. Not sure about me - I actually really like Geno. But I could be convinced otherwise for McCarron.

But really, it's this for me:

If you had a first round QB that's been in the league for only two years, and you had an OBVIOUS need at pass rusher, would you think "let's ditch our young QB! Two years is enough!" Or would you take the best pass rusher in the draft, give your young guy at least his third year to develop, and address the QB situation again next year, if needed?

Because if Gabbert doesn't improve, the Jags are drafting in the top two picks again next year.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:50 PM   #485
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Yea, it says that the Jaguars were last in the NFL in sacks...by 5. 5 ****ing sacks less than the 31st team.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/te...s/seasontype/2

I would need a crystal ball telling me Geno/Wilson are future hall of famers for me to want the Jags to take one of them #2 overall.
OK, so you're saying that pass rusher is such an overwhelming need that you'd pass on a QB this year in favor of a pass rusher.

That's a completely different argument.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:53 PM   #486
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What about McCarron? Would you take him this year over Geno? I think some people would. Not sure about me - I actually really like Geno. But I could be convinced otherwise for McCarron.
I'm about as high on McCarron as I am on Murray. I don't see them as elite-level prospects. Good, yes. Potential to be GREAT? Not really.

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But really, it's this for me:

If you had a first round QB that's been in the league for only two years, and you had an OBVIOUS need at pass rusher, would you think "let's ditch our young QB! Two years is enough!" Or would you take the best pass rusher in the draft, give your young guy at least his third year to develop, and address the QB situation again next year, if needed?

Because if Gabbert doesn't improve, the Jags are drafting in the top two picks again next year.
Yeah, as I said to blackmon in the previous post, considering Jacksonville's pass rushing situation changes the conversation consierably.

There's a good chance they could get a top-flight pass rusher this year and Teddy Bridgewater next year. I'd probably take that chance if I were in the Jags' shoes.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:53 PM   #487
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Yes, why?
Just interesting. Harbaugh didn't let him get away, despite having a young QB that he apparently knew could get the job done, and yet Alex Smith went back there knowing full well that he might not be the starter for long. And yet, we apply the same priciples here and it doesn't work?
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:53 PM   #488
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Ok Sir Football know it all. I guess getting whats best for your team isnt nearly as profitable and business smart as doing whatever the player in question wants. What team do you GM for again?
I think you need to appreciate this phone call:

RING RING.

GM X FROM TEAM Y ANSWERS: Hello?

ALEX SMITH'S AGENT: Hi, is this GM x?

GM X: Yes.

AGENT: This is AGENT 0, I represent Alex Smith.

GM X: Speak of the devil! We are about to trade for ol' Alex.

AGENT: Yeah, he's not gonna play for you.

GM X: Uh... he's under contract for two years. He has to.

AGENT: He will never sign an extention with you. He will have a "nagging shoulder injury" that sidelines him all season. He won't do any voluntary workouts. And after one miserable season, he will sit out until you release him.

GM X: Okay, thanks, bye.

RING RING

49'ers GM: Hello, this is the GM.

GM X: Yo, it's me.

49'ers GM: Buddy!

GM X: Trade is off. I'll give you a 7th rounder for him, and that's it.

49'ers GM: Shit.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:54 PM   #489
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What about McCarron? Would you take him this year over Geno? I think some people would. Not sure about me - I actually really like Geno. But I could be convinced otherwise for McCarron.

But really, it's this for me:

If you had a first round QB that's been in the league for only two years, and you had an OBVIOUS need at pass rusher, would you think "let's ditch our young QB! Two years is enough!" Or would you take the best pass rusher in the draft, give your young guy at least his third year to develop, and address the QB situation again next year, if needed?

Because if Gabbert doesn't improve, the Jags are drafting in the top two picks again next year.
McCarron is the prototypical mediocre QB playing for the best team in college. Murray and Bridgewater are beast passers and Boyd is the best option QB with 10 rushing TD's and 500 rushing yards last year.

Clemson, Georgia, and Louisville will all be competing with Alabama for the #1 spot next year. It will be fun to watch.

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I'm about as high on McCarron as I am on Murray. I don't see them as elite-level prospects. Good, yes. Potential to be GREAT? Not really.



Yeah, as I said to blackmon in the previous post, considering Jacksonville's pass rushing situation changes the conversation consierably.

There's a good chance they could get a top-flight pass rusher this year and Teddy Bridgewater next year. I'd probably take that chance if I were in the Jags' shoes.

And like I said previously, I guarantee I have been a Geno fan longer than anyone here outside of anyone here who is from WV or went to WVU. But I am a Jaguars fan first, and do not think it would be in the teams best interest. And I don't actually think there is any chance they could possibly draft him with the Chiefs going #1, so I don't waste time equating it into my decisions.
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I'm about as high on McCarron as I am on Murray. I don't see them as elite-level prospects. Good, yes. Potential to be GREAT? Not really.



Yeah, as I said to blackmon in the previous post, considering Jacksonville's pass rushing situation changes the conversation consierably.

There's a good chance they could get a top-flight pass rusher this year and Teddy Bridgewater next year. I'd probably take that chance if I were in the Jags' shoes.
I have been of the opinion this whole year that the Jags, Browns, and Titans will not draft a 1st round QB this year. They might need to, but there's just no way they move on from their guys this early, especially given the overall lack of talent surrounding them.

I could be wrong, but I just think that NFL guys are too prudent/cautious/chicken shit to do it.
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The funny thing is, if Andy Reid and John Dorsey, two men with an eye for quarterback talent want Alex Smith to be the Chiefs next QB, they will have it. If they don't, they won't grab him and they will, in all likelihood, take a QB in the first round. What we think has nothing to do with it.
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McCarron is the prototypical mediocre QB playing for the best team in college. Murray and Bridgewater are beast passers and Boyd is the best option QB with 10 rushing TD's and 500 rushing yards last year.

Clemson, Georgia, and Louisville will all be competing with Alabama for the #1 spot next year. It will be fun to watch.
Absolutely agree on McCarron.

It will be interesting how NFL teams look at Murray's physical limitations. It will also be interesting to see if Boyd can improve his passing mechanics.

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And like I said previously, I guarantee I have been a Geno fan longer than anyone here outside of anyone here who is from WV or went to WVU. But I am a Jaguars fan first, and do not think it would be in the teams best interest. And I don't actually think there is any chance they could possibly draft him with the Chiefs going #1, so I don't waste time equating it into my decisions.
That's absolutely fair.
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I have been of the opinion this whole year that the Jags, Browns, and Titans will not draft a 1st round QB this year. They might need to, but there's just no way they move on from their guys this early, especially given the overall lack of talent surrounding them.

I could be wrong, but I just think that NFL guys are too prudent/cautious/chicken shit to do it.
I would agree with you there.

I think the talk of 4 guys going in the top 10 is pretty unrealistic. I could see 3 guys going top 15, though.
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