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Old 02-03-2013, 05:24 PM  
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:20 AM   #31
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401k is a government created tax-deferred retirement plan.
If we had a consumption tax would you be worshipping government because all savings were government created tax-deferred plans? Or do you only give government this kind of praise when it establishes a baseline of taxation and then carves out a limited tax deferred savings program from that baseline?
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:31 AM   #32
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:04 AM   #34
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If we had a consumption tax would you be worshipping government because all savings were government created tax-deferred plans? Or do you only give government this kind of praise when it establishes a baseline of taxation and then carves out a limited tax deferred savings program from that baseline?
If we had a consumption tax, I would be criticizing the government for allowing such a travesty and injustice onto the American people. Fortunately, we don't.

My statement wasn't a "kind of praise," though the 401k scheme seem fine to me. It was a statement of fact: 401k plans are products of governmental legislation. Asking government to get out of it seems to miss that point.
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If we had a consumption tax, I would be criticizing the government for allowing such a travesty and injustice onto the American people. Fortunately, we don't.

My statement wasn't a "kind of praise," though the 401k scheme seem fine to me. It was a statement of fact: 401k plans are products of governmental legislation. Asking government to get out of it seems to miss that point.
I don't think it misses that point at all. I think that point is pretty irrelevant. The government could have created a 401K with any degree of government micromanagement or none at all. Preferring a more hands off approach is no more hypocritical (as you seemed to imply in post 7) than preferring a heavily micromanaged approach.
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I don't think it misses that point at all. I think that point is pretty irrelevant. The government could have created a 401K with any degree of government micromanagement or none at all. Preferring a more hands off approach is no more hypocritical (as you seemed to imply in post 7) than preferring a heavily micromanaged approach.
The fact is that it did create a 401k. It's involved, and the question that opens this thread appears oblivious to that. If government weren't involved with 401k plans, we wouldn't have 401k plans.

If honestchieffan wants a more accurate thread title, as I think he should, he could consider something like, "Do you want the government to prevent fraud with your 401k plan?"
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The fact is that it did create a 401k. It's involved, and the question that opens this thread appears oblivious to that. If government weren't involved with 401k plans, we wouldn't have 401k plans.

If honestchieffan wants a more accurate thread title, as I think he should, he could consider something like, "Do you want the government to prevent fraud with your 401k plan?"
You can't possibly believe that HCF is unaware of the fact that 401Ks were created by the government.
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You can't possibly believe that HCF is unaware of the fact that 401Ks were created by the government.
I think he's pretty stupid.
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I think he's pretty stupid.
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You can't possibly believe that HCF is unaware of the fact that 401Ks were created by the government.
I really wouldn't be surprised.
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I really wouldn't be surprised.
Come on. Does he really get under your skin that bad?
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