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Old 02-07-2013, 09:16 AM  
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Former LAPD officer on rampage in So Cal

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(CNN) -- A former Los Angeles police officer who police say has violently threatened his former colleagues shot at least two officers early Thursday, killing one, sparking a huge manhunt in Southern California, according to authorities.
Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33, is also wanted in a double slaying Sunday in Irvine, California.
The California Highway Patrol issued an alert Thursday morning urging officers in several Southern California counties to be on the lookout for Dorner after the overnight shootings.
Two officers in Riverside were shot, one fatally, police there confirmed to CNN. CNN affiliate KTLA reported another officer was shot in Corona, California.
Irvine police identified Dorner on Wednesday as the suspect in the February 3 deaths of Keith Lawrence and Monica Quan in Irvine.
Dorner also has made violent threats against other Los Angeles police officers, the agency said Wednesday.
"I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty," Dorner allegedly wrote in a lengthy letter promising retribution against the department, where he worked from 2005 until 2008. An LAPD source provided the document to CNN.
The letter writer claimed he was terminated for reporting excessive force by a fellow officer, and said his attacks were retribution for his termination, as well as a culture of racism and violence he says continues within the department.
He called the attacks against police "a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name."
Los Angeles police warned people who encounter Dorner not to approach him, saying he is likely "armed and extremely dangerous."
"Our department is implementing all measures possible to ensure the safety of our LAPD personnel, their families and the Los Angeles community, and will continue to do so until Dorner is apprehended and all threats have been abated," police said in a statement.
CNN's Mallory Simon and Deanna Hackney contributed to this report.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:54 PM   #1261
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I guess Jason thinks Bin Laden should have gotten a fair trial. Damn those SEALS
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:55 PM   #1262
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Not to any of the police involved.

He would have had to get out of California, and made it a federal case, which wasn't happening.
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You do realize that the FBI has many offices in Cali don't you? He did not have to leave the state. All he had to do was go to a news station and he would have had a televised escort.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:55 PM   #1263
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I don't disagree with any of that, but thus guy had several days where he could have turned himself over to another jurisdiction if he wanted a trial. He didn't. Sooner or later he has to take some responsibility for his own actions.
How was he getting to another jurisdiction?


Dude they shot up a truck that didn't match the description. Tie up a Honda ridgeline.


Something was off the whole time.

IMO at that point the feds should have stepped in
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:56 PM   #1264
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Again. The cops said "lets burn this ****er down" "get some gas".

Buy into the propane tank theory if you want. I'm not.

They said exactly what they were going to do.
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Again, hundreds of rounds were shot into a wooden structure housing a propane tank. Buy into the theory that the one guy on scene who was responsible for making overall tactical decisions just happened to be near a mic at the precise moment that he decided to voice his plan if you want. I'm not.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:56 PM   #1265
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I guess Jason thinks Bin Laden should have gotten a fair trial. Damn those SEALS
I'm pretty sure Bin Laden isn't covered under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. U.S. Citizen Dorner is.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:56 PM   #1266
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I guess Jason thinks Bin Laden should have gotten a fair trial. Damn those SEALS
Nope. He was not a us citizen.

Are you stupid?


I'm talking about the fundamental rights we all are supposed to have.

Guilty or innocent.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:57 PM   #1267
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Just like someone else said, how do we know who started the fire? By saying it was the police is jumping to conclusions, thus saying the police don't get a "fair trial" about telling their side of how the fire started.

Ehh I'm not a political person. Don't really care. I believe this guy died a death he deserved. Most people deserve a fair trial. He didn't. Their are exceptions for everything, he is an exception.
I addressed that point. Those that have already convicted the cops are just as wrong. Circumstantial evidence shouldn't be enough. But I think the fire argument was more a hypothetical than considered concrete. The cops will get their day in court just like the other guy should. Not for his benefit, but for ours. This guy is guilty, but maybe his trial will shine the light on more guilty of other crimes. Really it's not about this guy at all.

But you are correct, those that have already convicted the cops are using a double-standard. I just don't think anyone has. I think some are very suspicious, but I don't think anyone has convicted them yet.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:57 PM   #1268
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Where in the Constitution does it say "You should not burn down a house to capture a suspect?"
Again, I don't think anyone had a problem with it when they did it to Booth...maybe the south had a problem with it.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:57 PM   #1269
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How would he know they were saying to burn it down on TV?


Coincidence? Come on man.
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How do you know he had no communication to the outside world? I'm sure he did. He loved the attention he gained.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:57 PM   #1270
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I guess Jason thinks Bin Laden should have gotten a fair trial. Damn those SEALS
Wow.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:57 PM   #1271
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You do realize that the FBI has many offices in Cali don't you? He did not have to leave the state. All he had to do was go to a news station and he would have had a televised escort.
Dude he had obviously been stuck in big bear for days.

I can see what you are saying but I don't see the means he had to make it happen
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:58 PM   #1272
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No doubt. But in the end those actions by him can't transfer the power of the justice system over to the police. This is a situation where it's pretty unfair with the amount of things this guy has done. But to me, in the end, this is about protecting our ideals.
No, his actions can't transfer power, but he certainly can give up those rights.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:58 PM   #1273
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:58 PM   #1274
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I'm pretty sure Bin Laden isn't covered under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. U.S. Citizen Dorner is.
If Bin Laden wanted to turn himself in they would have taken him alive just like Dorner could have. They are both killers who got the justice they deserved.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:58 PM   #1275
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How would he know they were saying to burn it down on TV?


Coincidence? Come on man.
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Would he need to know that to set a fire, shoot himself, and expect people to think the cops set the fire? Even if the cops played innocent and didnt say anything about starting a fire, people would still suspect they did, even if they claimed otherwise in their official statement.

Im just playing devils advocate here. But you shouldnt make statements like that when theres such an incredibly easy response.
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