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Old 02-07-2013, 09:16 AM  
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Former LAPD officer on rampage in So Cal

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(CNN) -- A former Los Angeles police officer who police say has violently threatened his former colleagues shot at least two officers early Thursday, killing one, sparking a huge manhunt in Southern California, according to authorities.
Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33, is also wanted in a double slaying Sunday in Irvine, California.
The California Highway Patrol issued an alert Thursday morning urging officers in several Southern California counties to be on the lookout for Dorner after the overnight shootings.
Two officers in Riverside were shot, one fatally, police there confirmed to CNN. CNN affiliate KTLA reported another officer was shot in Corona, California.
Irvine police identified Dorner on Wednesday as the suspect in the February 3 deaths of Keith Lawrence and Monica Quan in Irvine.
Dorner also has made violent threats against other Los Angeles police officers, the agency said Wednesday.
"I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty," Dorner allegedly wrote in a lengthy letter promising retribution against the department, where he worked from 2005 until 2008. An LAPD source provided the document to CNN.
The letter writer claimed he was terminated for reporting excessive force by a fellow officer, and said his attacks were retribution for his termination, as well as a culture of racism and violence he says continues within the department.
He called the attacks against police "a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name."
Los Angeles police warned people who encounter Dorner not to approach him, saying he is likely "armed and extremely dangerous."
"Our department is implementing all measures possible to ensure the safety of our LAPD personnel, their families and the Los Angeles community, and will continue to do so until Dorner is apprehended and all threats have been abated," police said in a statement.
CNN's Mallory Simon and Deanna Hackney contributed to this report.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:04 PM   #1291
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Ok how do you get the suspect out of the cabin alive?
Smoke him out??
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:04 PM   #1292
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I guess Jason thinks Bin Laden should have gotten a fair trial. Damn those SEALS
Did they burn BL's hideout down, or go in after him?
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:05 PM   #1293
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It talks about right to trial by jury. If you dispose of a suspect, no matter what he has done, when a way of getting him out alive is possible, you have to do it. If the cops kill him in defense of themselves then fine. If they kill him because he has already killed people or may again, that's taking away that right. You can say this guy risked that right when he kept fighting. It's not about this guy, its about our system.
and we all know that the LAPD are an upstanding group of people. They would never abuse their power.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:05 PM   #1294
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I overheard something on the radio about a child abduction a few weeks back where the police asked the news to get rid of their helicopters so they could go get the suspect. Does anyone have a link to that story? I remember hearing something about it a few weeks ago, but I never read about it.
Yeah, dude killed a bus driver, took a 5 yr and held him in a bunker for a week. They knew he was listening to media so they had them back off so he wouldn't know every move they made. Turned out great, they stormed and killed him w/o harm to the child.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:05 PM   #1295
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Ok how do you get the suspect out of the cabin alive?
You wait him out.

Let him starve if you have to. Shut off the water.

If he dies then it's on him.


I mean shit standoffs happen quite frequently.

what happened today doesn't
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:06 PM   #1296
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That's just too much of a grey area. How do you determine when someone has given up those rights? In this case it may seem easy, but what about others? Unless the guy is in the act of threatening a life, you have to do whatever you can to take him alive. I know there are times that isn't possible, but this whole argument is about whether it should be allowed.

If you are saying by killing people and not turning themselves in they are giving up those rights, then are rights given up whenever the law is broken and you don't turn yourself in? I just worry about opening a can of worms. Cops need to do everything possible to take a guy in, no matter what the circumstances were leading up to or currently happening in a situation.
He is shooting at them. At that point it is force=force. A bullet can kill you, a fire can kill you.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:06 PM   #1297
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How would he know they were saying to burn it down on TV?


Coincidence? Come on man.
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Dorner stated they would never take him alive. How do you know he didn't start the fire?

Dorner had an entire week to give himself up publicly which would basically tie the hands of the LAPD.

He shot a game warden which isn't affiliated with the LAPD.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:06 PM   #1298
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Well shit, I think if your house was on fire you would come out. So starting a fire was an attempt to flush him out. He didn't wanna come out after, so he dug his own grave.
Lol. What about reports that they fired on him and pushed him back into the house?

Was he armed then?
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:07 PM   #1299
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Ok how do you get the suspect out of the cabin alive?
I have only general ideas based on tv ect. I don't know. But if nobody was in danger inside the cabin and he didn't have some remote device that could harm people like a bomb or something, another option needs to be taken. Waiting him out, flash bombs, whatever SWAT feel they need to do is fine as long as it is an attempt to get him out without killing him. I just don't see the fire as the right option. And in the end this really isn't about the fire to me. It's about people saying that the cops should have the right under certain circumstances to end it when they aren't in immediate danger.

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Well shit, I think if your house was on fire you would come out. So starting a fire was an attempt to flush him out. He didn't wanna come out after, so he dug his own grave.
And if the fire creates a situation where he can't get out safely?
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:07 PM   #1300
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You are right.

The police said "lets burn this ****er down" and "get the gas"


Not much of a conspiracy theory there. That's just connecting the dots
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And yet you can't connect the dots between live rounds and a propane tank. Amazing.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:07 PM   #1301
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That's just too much of a grey area. How do you determine when someone has given up those rights? In this case it may seem easy, but what about others? Unless the guy is in the act of threatening a life, you have to do whatever you can to take him alive. I know there are times that isn't possible, but this whole argument is about whether it should be allowed.

If you are saying by killing people and not turning themselves in they are giving up those rights, then are rights given up whenever the law is broken and you don't turn yourself in? I just worry about opening a can of worms. Cops need to do everything possible to take a guy in, no matter what the circumstances were leading up to or currently happening in a situation.
He was at the very moment shooting at and killing cops. I don't know how you can get any more "threatening" than that.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:07 PM   #1302
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You wait him out.

Let him starve if you have to. Shut off the water.

If he dies then it's on him.


I mean shit standoffs happen quite frequently.

what happened today doesn't
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Then you would complain about the government spending too much on resources to capture this guy. What if there were years worth of food and water in the house? You wait for years?
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:08 PM   #1303
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dude, again, the cops said " lets burn it" "get the gas" then made the media leave. Then the house burns.


Could be a coincidence. If so it's the greatest coincidence I've ever heard of
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Yeah, like I said, I agree that the cops set the fire. That much is obvious.

But who really gives a shit? If they went in and shot him to pieces, or set the house on fire to kill him, what's the difference other than setting the fire requires much less risk of losing more officers, considering this guy had proven he will shoot and kill any officer he can.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:08 PM   #1304
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Dorner stated they would never take him alive. How do you know he didn't start the fire?

Dorner had an entire week to give himself up publicly which would basically tie the hands of the LAPD.

He shot a game warden which isn't affiliated with the LAPD.
Common sense.

cops say burn it.

Media is made to leave


It Burns.

Turn himself in publicly and the lapd says he "resisted" and he dies in custody.

Game warden attests him he gets sent to lapd.

Again the feeds should have taken over in these circumstances
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Lol. What about reports that they fired on him and pushed him back into the house?

Was he armed then?
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Probably. He said he was going to be armed until he was killed. He did everything else he said he was going to do.
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