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Old 02-07-2013, 09:16 AM  
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Former LAPD officer on rampage in So Cal

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(CNN) -- A former Los Angeles police officer who police say has violently threatened his former colleagues shot at least two officers early Thursday, killing one, sparking a huge manhunt in Southern California, according to authorities.
Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33, is also wanted in a double slaying Sunday in Irvine, California.
The California Highway Patrol issued an alert Thursday morning urging officers in several Southern California counties to be on the lookout for Dorner after the overnight shootings.
Two officers in Riverside were shot, one fatally, police there confirmed to CNN. CNN affiliate KTLA reported another officer was shot in Corona, California.
Irvine police identified Dorner on Wednesday as the suspect in the February 3 deaths of Keith Lawrence and Monica Quan in Irvine.
Dorner also has made violent threats against other Los Angeles police officers, the agency said Wednesday.
"I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty," Dorner allegedly wrote in a lengthy letter promising retribution against the department, where he worked from 2005 until 2008. An LAPD source provided the document to CNN.
The letter writer claimed he was terminated for reporting excessive force by a fellow officer, and said his attacks were retribution for his termination, as well as a culture of racism and violence he says continues within the department.
He called the attacks against police "a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name."
Los Angeles police warned people who encounter Dorner not to approach him, saying he is likely "armed and extremely dangerous."
"Our department is implementing all measures possible to ensure the safety of our LAPD personnel, their families and the Los Angeles community, and will continue to do so until Dorner is apprehended and all threats have been abated," police said in a statement.
CNN's Mallory Simon and Deanna Hackney contributed to this report.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:09 PM   #1306
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:09 PM   #1307
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You wait him out.

Let him starve if you have to. Shut off the water.

If he dies then it's on him.


I mean shit standoffs happen quite frequently.

what happened today doesn't
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How is shutting off the water different than turning on the heat?
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:09 PM   #1308
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IMO, I'm starting to think he either escaped or he did have hostages with him and they were all killed from either Dorner or the fire. It doesn't make sense to me why the police haven't released anything yet.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:09 PM   #1309
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I have only general ideas based on tv ect. I don't know. But if nobody was in danger inside the cabin and he didn't have some remote device that could harm people like a bomb or something, another option needs to be taken. Waiting him out, flash bombs, whatever SWAT feel they need to do is fine as long as it is an attempt to get him out without killing him. I just don't see the fire as the right option. And in the end this really isn't about the fire to me. It's about people saying that the cops should have the right under certain circumstances to end it when they aren't in immediate danger.



And if the fire creates a situation where he can't get out safely?
A bullet creates a situation where someone may not get home safely.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:10 PM   #1310
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I have only general ideas based on tv ect. I don't know. But if nobody was in danger inside the cabin and he didn't have some remote device that could harm people like a bomb or something, another option needs to be taken. Waiting him out, flash bombs, whatever SWAT feel they need to do is fine as long as it is an attempt to get him out without killing him. I just don't see the fire as the right option. And in the end this really isn't about the fire to me. It's about people saying that the cops should have the right under certain circumstances to end it when they aren't in immediate danger.



And if the fire creates a situation where he can't get out safely?
The fire may have been accidental. We only have conspiracy theories about it at this point.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:10 PM   #1311
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I mean shit standoffs happen quite frequently.

what happened today doesn't
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Agreed. This was some 17th century siege tactic.

Wait him out. It has to come to a head eventually since he has finite supplies. Burning him out seems extreme... if that was their intent.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:10 PM   #1312
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He was at the very moment shooting at and killing cops. I don't know how you can get any more "threatening" than that.
He was shooting them at the moment they started the fire? I haven't heard that. I know he was shooting at them prior. If he was hulled up in the cabin and they had it surrounded, then there is no reason to start a fire. If he was shooting at them at the time and it's all they had to stop him then that's a different story. That's not a story I have heard.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:11 PM   #1313
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Yeah, like I said, I agree that the cops set the fire. That much is obvious.

But who really gives a shit? If they went in and shot him to pieces, or set the house on fire to kill him, what's the difference other than setting the fire requires much less risk of losing more officers, considering this guy had proven he will shoot and kill any officer he can.
I give a shit.

We don't know what was going on at that point. He could have been trying to surrender, likely not, but burning the house down doesn't seem like something that is protocol
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:11 PM   #1314
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The fire may have been accidental. We only have conspiracy theories about it at this point.
And I am not convicting the cops. I don't know how it started. Maybe he did, maybe it was from hitting the tanks. My argument has just been against the thought that if the cops started it that it's ok.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:12 PM   #1315
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The fire may have been accidental. We only have conspiracy theories about it at this point.
Well except for those officers saying "lets burn this ****er down", get some gas"

That was all reported BEFORE the fire started.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:12 PM   #1316
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IMO, I'm starting to think he either escaped or he did have hostages with him and they were all killed from either Dorner or the fire. It doesn't make sense to me why the police haven't released anything yet.
No. He got in a pursuit prior. Then went running into the cabin. I don't think the hostages ran with him haha
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:13 PM   #1317
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Common sense.

cops say burn it.

Media is made to leave


It Burns.

Turn himself in publicly and the lapd says he "resisted" and he dies in custody.

Game warden attests him he gets sent to lapd.

Again the feeds should have taken over in these circumstances
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If he's taken into custody and then dies I'd be questioning it myself.

In this scenario I think he got what he wanted.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:13 PM   #1318
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How is shutting off the water different than turning on the heat?
Well that brings the issue to a head.
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police scanner just said there were escape routes from the basement
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:13 PM   #1320
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