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View Poll Results: If no QB then who?
LT Luke Joekel 40 31.01%
DE Star Lotulelei 30 23.26%
LB Jarvis Jones 19 14.73%
Other (who, why?) 40 31.01%
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:23 PM  
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The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

Scenario (hypothetical):

It has become obvious that the Chiefs will pass on a QB with the top pick and will address the QB need (a) later in round 1, (b) in round 2, or (c) by signing a veteran. No trade down is planned either.

There seems to be the following three names on top of the draft. Among these three which one would you want the Chiefs to use their 1st pick on:

1- LT Luke Joekel (meaning Albert will walk)

2- DE Star Lotulelei (meaning T-Jax will be cut)

3- Jarvis Jones (meaning we are thinking transition to 43 soon)

4- Other (name and explain)

KEEP IN MIND

This is not a Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson discussion. Keep that argument in the hundreds of other threads about it. This is about IF WE DON'T PICK A QB AT THE TOP! Just curious to know which of the picks mentioned makes more sense compared to the others IYO. If you are a staunch Geno fan, for example, this does not paint you as a traitor to the cause.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:58 PM   #406
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I'm playing this one pretty close to the chest

I'm still pro Wilson at 1. That has always been the plan!
And if Wilson died in a fire before the draft, you'd rather the Chiefs take Nassib over Geno.

That's dumbassery of CoMo levels. You're reaching high in the sky on that one.

I'm going to need to see a brand new really smart person whose football opinions I respect go into the Tyler Wilson camp to balance out the stain you represent.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:01 PM   #407
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If you want to have a thread go exactly as ou want it to go, then start your own website so that you can delete every post that doesn't fit your criteria.

Until then, get the **** over yourself.

You are just a useless piece.

And, ftr, anyone that would participate in Frankie's forum, raise your hands.
Did my use of Yosemite Sam give you ANY CLUE that my post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek? I guess not. I'm not shocked though.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:04 PM   #408
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And if Wilson died in a fire before the draft, you'd rather the Chiefs take Nassib over Geno.

That's dumbassery of CoMo levels. You're reaching high in the sky on that one.

I'm going to need to see a brand new really smart person whose football opinions I respect go into the Tyler Wilson camp to balance out the stain you represent.
What if Geno died in a fire before the draft? Who's plan B?!
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:04 PM   #409
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Being able to start this team back on the right track by inking a proven commodity at QB and selecting a brand new franchise LT (with no back problems) before making any other draft picks would be a great win for the team and the fans in Kansas City.

A team that was worse than an expansion team last year ought to look at what it takes to succeed in the NFL and think about it.

Alex Smith is a first round quarterback. He's never had a rating below 80 the last 4 years. Last year he was above 90, and this year about 100. He threw a grand total of 10 interceptions over the last 2 seasons.

Last year, with a good team around him, Alex Smith had his team 3 points away from the Super Bowl. Guys with this resume never become free agents in the NFL. Not when they are 28 years old.

And people here tell you to "kill yourself" when you suggest that this guy might be a safer bet than a rookie who couldn't win games in a major conference in college football.

We're supposed to believe that even though Alex Smith was a field goal away from the Super Bowl last year it doesn't mean anything. He's Matt Cassel. Geno Smith is the only way we'll ever get to the Super Bowl.

The groupthink has gone over the cliff. Logic and reason are beside the point here.

Well, this is why you're selling insurance and Dorsey/Reid are in the NFL, let's hope they get this right. We could be back in the wild card hunt sooner than later if they do.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:08 PM   #410
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"Locks onto to first read" is not actually true.

He usually goes to his first read because that guy is open, but he has shown, again and again, and again, the ability to go through progressions when necessary.

But of it isn't necessary, why do it?

Just to make people like you happy?
AND (DRUMROLLS) finally there is something milkman posted that is reason based.

I add that about half the time the best QBs also go with the firsts read and don't bother with the other reads as the first is immediately available to them. I watched Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Kaepernick especially with that in mind, this post season, and found the "locking' onto the first read was amazingly prevalent with those guys. More so than I originally thought.
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Being able to start this team back on the right track by inking a proven commodity at QB and selecting a brand new franchise LT (with no back problems) before making any other draft picks would be a great win for the team and the fans in Kansas City.

A team that was worse than an expansion team last year ought to look at what it takes to succeed in the NFL and think about it.

Alex Smith is a first round quarterback. He's never had a rating below 80 the last 4 years. Last year he was above 90, and this year about 100. He threw a grand total of 10 interceptions over the last 2 seasons.

Last year, with a good team around him, Alex Smith had his team 3 points away from the Super Bowl. Guys with this resume never become free agents in the NFL. Not when they are 28 years old.

And people here tell you to "kill yourself" when you suggest that this guy might be a safer bet than a rookie who couldn't win games in a major conference in college football.

We're supposed to believe that even though Alex Smith was a field goal away from the Super Bowl last year it doesn't mean anything. He's Matt Cassel. Geno Smith is the only way we'll ever get to the Super Bowl.

The groupthink has gone over the cliff. Logic and reason are beside the point here.

Well, this is why you're selling insurance and Dorsey/Reid are in the NFL, let's hope they get this right. We could be back in the wild card hunt sooner than later if they do.
Alex Smith against a good defense converted 1 of 13 3rd down opportunities when the team needed him to step up and make plays.

That 1 conversion was a meaningless conversion at the end of the first half.

You can go the safe route and take Alex Smith, and never have any hope of advancing to the SB.

But if that's the route that Reid and Dorsey choose to go, they can go **** themselves, and you.
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What if Geno died in a fire before the draft? Who's plan B?!
Wilson.

Then Barkley.

Then... then we're stretching it. I do like Glennon and Dysert more than Nassib personally. I'd feel pretty queasy selecting either of them at #1, but I'd understand completely.

Thanks to your little shitass moment though, I really do have to re-consider Barkley and Wilson's positions on that list of succession.
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Alex Smith against a good defense converted 1 of 13 3rd down opportunities when the team needed him to step up and make plays.

That 1 conversion was a meaningless conversion at the end of the first half.

You can go the safe route and take Alex Smith, and never have any hope of advancing to the SB.

But if that's the route that Reid and Dorsey choose to go, they can go **** themselves, and you.
3 points away = no hope, ever. Got it.
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Did my use of Yosemite Sam give you ANY CLUE that my post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek? I guess not. I'm not shocked though.
I didn't pay any attention to whatever picture you posted.

I only read the content.

I'll have to go back and look at that.
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Wilson.

Then Barkley.

Then... then we're stretching it. I do like Glennon and Dysert more than Nassib personally. I'd feel pretty queasy selecting either of them at #1, but I'd understand completely.

Thanks to your little shitass moment though, I really do have to re-consider Barkley and Wilson's positions on that list of succession.
Not sure why you like Glennon and Dysert more than Nassib.

Nassib actually has balls. Doesn't go in the fetal position like Glennon. I like Glennon but he pulls a Cassel in the pocket at least 3x a game.
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I'm playing this one pretty close to the chest

I'm still pro Wilson at 1. That has always been the plan!
I have been more of a Tyler Wilson guy than any other other available QB. I also dismiss his non-elite senior season as comparable to Dan Marino's. But two things cool me off a bit about him:

1- His head trauma history.

2- The recent revelation about his "small" hands. I wonder if he has fumbled the ball more than he should because of it. Is there a good study on that?
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3 points away = no hope, ever. Got it.
3 points or 30 points.

Makes no difference.

Franchise QBs make plays gainst outstanding playmaking defenses when plays need to be made.

Game manangers don't.
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I have been more of a Tyler Wilson guy than any other other available QB. I also dismiss his non-elite senior season as comparable to Dan Marino's. But two things cool me off a bit about him:

1- His head trauma history.

2- The recent revelation about his "small" hands. I wonder if he has fumbled the ball more than he should because of it. Is there a good study on that?
The hands could be a concern, but it has been posted here somewhere that Wilson has fewer fumbles in his college career than all, or most of the QBs in this class.
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You sound high to me. That post won't sound as brilliant when you sober up.
You are the one that said that being good in college doesn't mean he'll be good in the pros. We already have a "good" LT.
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Unless there's not that much daylight between the 1st and the 5th best. Which may or may not be the case this year. I guess the combine will clear a lot of this up.
Their is a chasm between 1 and 5. Don't need the combine to see that.
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