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Old 02-12-2013, 07:16 PM  
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Obama wants to raise minimum wage to NINE DOLLARS AN HOUR



@RyanLizza: Obama will call for raising the federal minimum wage to $9.00/hour.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:34 PM   #226
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Are we the taxpayers subsidizing the companies that have workers working for minimum wage? Since they pay the least amount legally possible, don't the taxpayers end up paying for medicaid, food stamps etc?
No, it's just that people with no skills that warrant higher pay are only going to find work in low-paying retail jobs. Perhaps if we had no food stamps or medicaid, you wouldn't have to even worry about this at all. Ev'ah think of THAT?
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:35 PM   #227
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I just laugh at all the people who voted for this clown....AGAIN...or voted for a lesser part or didn't vote at all. In a small scenario, having two people working at $7/hour is more costly than having one person work for $9 for 40 hours a week. So let's say our of every 2 employees, one gets laid off. The work force gets reduced by half. That's good stuff boys. And also let's put less emphasis on getting an education. What's the point when you can make $9/hour working 40+ hours a week? Screw college! Lawl.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:36 PM   #228
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Are we the taxpayers subsidizing the companies that have workers working for minimum wage? Since they pay the least amount legally possible, don't the taxpayers end up paying for medicaid, food stamps etc?
To an extent. For example, 10% of the Wal-Mart workers in Florida are subsidized by taxpayers. I think the national average (don't quote me on this, I may be misremembering) is around 5% for all companies.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:01 PM   #229
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That link confirms low wages and part-time work, which I certainly believe, but I'm looking for a quote from a study that shows 80 percent of Wal-Mart workers getting federal assistance. My initial reaction is that that number seems high, but even if it's 40 percent it still makes for an interesting discussion on whether taxpayers are subsidizing Wal-Mart profits.
No. I am absolutely not willing to assert that government is subsidizing low income jobs in a free labor environment.

The individual employee works there at will and takes government aide at will. They aren't tied together in any way. That's as dumb to say that sometimes people on government assistance eat at McDonalds. Government is subsidizing McDonalds. Bullshit.

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I think most who work there at those wages, don't have the skills to get paid more.
Get more skills, be a better employee or make no money. That's pretty much the option.

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To an extent. For example, 10% of the Wal-Mart workers in Florida are subsidized by taxpayers. I think the national average (don't quote me on this, I may be misremembering) is around 5% for all companies.
Wow. That's a pretty hard assertion to make if only 5% are on government assistance.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:07 PM   #230
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Wow. That's a pretty hard assertion to make if only 5% are on government assistance.
Exactly.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:10 PM   #231
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To an extent. For example, 10% of the Wal-Mart workers in Florida are subsidized by taxpayers. I think the national average (don't quote me on this, I may be misremembering) is around 5% for all companies.
Well thats not good. Or am I off base here?

why should the taxpayer be subsidizing private business payrolls, even if it is 5%?
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:12 PM   #232
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Inflation has outpaced wages.

Adjusted for inflation 9 bucks an hour is comparable to the 5.15 I was making as a kid in the 90's.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:13 PM   #233
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If Wal-Mart doesn't pay enough, don't work there.
Considering that Wal Mart has terrible service and consistently the most worthless group of jackasses working there, I think they're already overpaid.

There are not many jobs out there you can show up, give 5% effort, and walk away with a paycheck of any kind.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:13 PM   #234
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Inflation has outpaced wages.

Adjusted for inflation 9 bucks an hour is comparable to the 5.15. I was making as a kid in the 90's.
It's already been posted by many people/economists etc. as the same rate as the minimum wage in 1981. 32 years make up in wages lost to the COL.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:15 PM   #235
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Alot of people make Walmart their career
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:17 PM   #236
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That link confirms low wages and part-time work, which I certainly believe, but I'm looking for a quote from a study that shows 80 percent of Wal-Mart workers getting federal assistance. My initial reaction is that that number seems high, but even if it's 40 percent it still makes for an interesting discussion on whether taxpayers are subsidizing Wal-Mart profits.
From: Goodjobsfirst.org.

Article title "Hidden Taxpayer Costs"

And the 80 percent is related to Food Stamps only. Sorry for the misinfo.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:18 PM   #237
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How do you know if it's any different elsewhere for other managers?

My gf got a job there as a manager after losing her regular job she had for years and it saved her and her family.
I don't know personally.

I know 3 people who were managers at Wal-mart. All of them parlayed the experience into other retail management jobs at higher pay and fewer hours. They said Walmart is a terrible place to manage.

I only know from 2nd hand info though.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:22 PM   #238
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You can also reference "New Study Finds Wal-Marts Miserly Wages Cost Taxpayers" Independent Business. Aug 13, 2004

"California taxpayers are spending $86 million a year providing healthcare and other public assistance to the state’s 44,000 Wal-Mart employees, according to a new study by UC Berkeley’s Institute for Industrial Relations.

The study, “Hidden Cost of Wal-Mart Jobs,”(linked to in article) found that the average Wal-Mart worker required $730 in taxpayer-funded healthcare and $1,222 in other forms of assistance, such as food stamps and subsidized housing, to get by."
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:23 PM   #239
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No, it's just that people with no skills that warrant higher pay are only going to find work in low-paying retail jobs. Perhaps if we had no food stamps or medicaid, you wouldn't have to even worry about this at all. Ev'ah think of THAT?
we would have to worry about poor people with guns coming to the rich part of town.
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According to the logic posted in this thread, I have little doubt that most of the posters in this forum would have supported the motive of milk producers not to pasteurize milk to eliminate tuberculosis, as the cost was claimed to be too high.

This is just a rehash of standard supply-side economics dogma. "You're robbing Peter to pay Paul." You're not robbing someone if they earned that money. The common American worker is grievously underpaid for the amount of hours they put in and their productivity compared to past generations. Workers are more productive than ever, but make less when adjusted for inflation than any point in the last 40 years.

Look at how disproportionate executive compensation is to worker compensation.

The fact of the matter is that not only are entry-level workers underpaid, nearly all hourly wage-earners are; given the fact that the middle and working class spend a far higher percentage of their income than the upper class, such a bump in pay will have a stimulative effect on the economy overall, leading to more demand, and thus, more jobs, as these individuals have more discretionary income.

Three final questions: what exactly is a livable wage, and what jobs are worthy enough to command such a salary? Which ones aren't?
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