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Old 02-14-2013, 03:52 PM  
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Do you support the outright ban of "assault" rifles?

Simple...

yes or no.

This thread brought to you by a comment in DC stating we would be surprised by how few people in DC would support the ban. Figured we might as well get numbers.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:09 PM   #196
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Jfc you are beyond ignorant
Yes, that is a point that's been made several times now.

If it's alright with you, we can just agree I'm a "beyond ignorant" Hitler for the rest of this thread, and assume I'm capable of remembering that.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:12 PM   #197
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That two seconds means a shit ton more than the half-second it takes to pull another trigger. That two seconds stopped the Gabby Giffords shooter in Arizona.

Make the shooter reload sooner. That's what the game is all about.
Imagine it's YOU doing the shooting, defending your life or the life of someone you care about. Still want to limit YOUR magazine capacity?

Oh wait - I forgot that you're a gun hating pussy, and there's no one on earth that you care about. Never mind.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:12 PM   #198
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The idea is to create barriers to killing people.

One simple barrier is forcing a reload -- after all, forcing somebody to reload can and has forced this mistake. Giving somebody a damn near unlimited magazine does not.

Think about the argument we're making in this thread, against me, the gun control guy.

I'm a Hitler because I support something like a 10-round magazine. Which, I'm told the second I support it, is obtrusive to somebody trying to defend themselves.

By that logic, a Hitler like me might say something like "well then that's an obstruction on a shooter, then." Of course, you all then reply, on cue, that it's not much of a barrier after all.

It's either a barrier or it's not.

And since the grand idea here is that it's no barrier whatsoever, then a 10-round limit on your mag isn't a big deal.

But it is a big deal, of course. And you can scream about how automatic it is to reload, but we both know the truth and it's underlined by how pro-gun folks respond to things like magazine sizes.

Of course, you completely miss the point. The point isn't the size of the magazine, the point is allowing government the ability to encroach on our rights. People in power tend to want more power. And the more you allow them to have the more they will take.

The government needs to forget about gun control and worry more about their over-taxation and reckless spending that is carrying this country to the brink of financial disaster. Police the people less and themselves more.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:16 PM   #199
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Imagine it's YOU doing the shooting, defending your life or the life of someone you care about. Still want to limit YOUR magazine capacity?

Oh wait - I forgot that you're a gun hating pussy, and there's no one on earth that you care about. Never mind.
My point to CrazyPhud, exactly.

When the suggestion is to reduce your magazine size, it's a huge barrier to protection.

But limiting the magazine size of a shooter -- hey man, limiting magazine size won't even slow them down.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:19 PM   #200
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Of course, you completely miss the point. The point isn't the size of the magazine, the point is allowing government the ability to encroach on our rights. People in power tend to want more power. And the more you allow them to have the more they will take.
Well I'll resist them when they step over reasonable lines.

Which, of course, they're not. There's tough gun control through the Western world, which -- you guessed it -- is sparse on dictators.

So you could say that I do not fear ever having to face an American dictator in my lifetime thanks to something like an assault weapons ban.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:19 PM   #201
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My point to CrazyPhud, exactly.

When the suggestion is to reduce your magazine size, it's a huge barrier to protection.

But limiting the magazine size of a shooter -- hey man, limiting magazine size won't even slow them down.
Hey dumbass, you do realize that the overwhelming majority of these weapons aren't owned by criminals or psycho-killers, right?

Oh wait, you don't.

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Old 02-16-2013, 11:32 PM   #202
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Hey dumbass, you do realize that the overwhelming majority of these weapons aren't owned by criminals or psycho-killers, right?
That's not really a reply to what I just said, but okay.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:44 PM   #203
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Found this interesting.
http://americancopmagazine.com/schoo...ther-approach/

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School Shootings: Another Approach


Following the horrendous mass murder at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, and on the heels of the mall shooting in Clackamas County Oregon earlier that week, I received significant correspondence from readers. Some offered their thoughts on how such incidents could be prevented or responded to while others asked the subject simply be discussed. Thereís a lot that could be said on the subject, as multiple theories exist to explain why nut cases do what they do.

Depending upon oneís political perspective, suggestions for a cure range from responsible to ridiculous. Like most cops, I prefer to deal with the real world, not some theoretical or philosophical discussion, which may or may not make sense. Here are some things I consider facts.

Firearms will not be removed from our society anytime soon. No matter how tightly guns are regulated, those intent on using them for criminal purposes will acquire them ó lawfully or not. The maximum carnage at mass murder scenes, including schools, will occur before law enforcement arrives even when the ETAs of responding units are within a minute or two.

I donít think it can be successfully argued that if there is to be an effective response to an armed suspect, it must come from person(s) already on site when the shooter arrives. In the case of schools, that would most likely be school employees whether faculty or staff. Even in schools with School Resource Officers on campus, the chances of that officer being at the gunmanís point of entry to engage him or her before damage is done is unlikely.

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Itís widely believed that many, maybe even most, educators are of the liberal persuasion and, thus, antigun. I think it depends on where those educators work; in my rural, conservative county itís certainly not the case. I sense thereís a philosophical shift occurring in the minds of many teachers and school staff. They are committed to children and the safety of the children under their care.
In my unquestionably liberal state, a large number of teachers have petitioned their school districts to recognize the concealed carry permits they hold and allow them to carry concealed on campus. Some districts allow it, while others do not. In this same liberal state on the same day Sandy Hook occurred a state legislator introduced a bill in the state house that would require school districts to allow CCW permit holders, including faculty and staff, to carry on campus. If such legislation can happen in this state, it can happen almost anywhere.
Frankly, I think such an approach makes sense and I support it with a few prerequisites. First, in addition to the usual concealed handgun license training courses, I would want teachers and staff who opt to carry to be trained by local law enforcement on practical considerations going well beyond what the typical concealed handgun safety courses address. Second, Iíd want teachers and staff who opt to carry on campus to commit to no less than quarterly qualification with the weapon carried.

Prior to implementation of an armed faculty/staff program, all of the signs presently posted at far too many schools across this country advertising such schools as gun-free zones need to be removed. In their place I would suggest placing signs conveying just the opposite message: FACULTY AND STAFF ARMED TO PROTECT STUDENTS.

Many if not most mass killers are cowards ó their actions, as well as post-incident investigations have revealed that. Faced with a choice they will most likely avoid places where they believe they might encounter armed resistance. That is a very good thing.

Itís Time
While I am a firm believer in the Second Amendment, itís not my belief in the right to keep and bear arms that underlies my point of view on this matter. Rather, itís the absolute sickening feeling I get each and every time innocent children are slaughtered by some deranged individual when, in the back of my mind, I believe a properly trained, armed citizen on site at the time could have stopped the attack in its infancy.

Law enforcement has long sought partnerships with the public in the interests of enhancing safety. We have done so with the knowledge that our resources are limited and our response times are often too long at no fault of our own. We have refined our active shooter tactics nearly to perfection, but we are limited by the uncontrollable factors of time and distance. Perhaps in the interest of the lives and safety of our children itís time to advocate a partnership with armed citizens to achieve an admirable and necessary objective.
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Old 02-17-2013, 05:47 AM   #204
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Well I'll resist them when they step over reasonable lines.
If you wait for such a powerful entity to cross the line than there is a very good chance it is already too late. The idea is to not even let them see the line. Once again, the more power and authority you cede to the government, the more they will take. It is simply the nature of the beast.

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Which, of course, they're not. There's tough gun control through the Western world, which -- you guessed it -- is sparse on dictators.

So you could say that I do not fear ever having to face an American dictator in my lifetime thanks to something like an assault weapons ban.
I very well believe you and I will see an American dictator, or at least an attempted one, in our life time. But that is a discussion for another thread. Suffice to say, the more we give up control and self governance the closer we get to that time.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:00 AM   #205
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I don't follow that logic at all. Feel free to spell out whatever point you're making.
Your argument was that AR's and large capacity magazines don't have any practical usage, in fact they do.

My point is that in the great USA, most of what we own does not have a practical usage. Fast cars, huge homes, 90" tvs, etc... I'm not trying to ban your fast cars (which I've been almost killed by NUMEROUS times) so leave my rifles (which have never endangered another human) alone.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:18 AM   #207
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I disagree. It will take you longer to get off shots, and you will have to reload more frequently. Giving everybody around you more of a chance to get away/take you out.
How would it take me longer to get shots off? It is just a squeeze of the trigger? No, I wouldn't have to reload more frequently. there are super large capacity magazines made for hand guns as well.

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I might have missed it. It's pretty close to a 1-on-8 here so things will slip through the cracks. If you want to re-post it, I will comment.
Your statement was that assault weapons, by far, are the weapon of choice in mass shootings.

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If you wait for such a powerful entity to cross the line than there is a very good chance it is already too late.
And how's that line doing across the rest of the Western world? Is Austrailia languishing under a dictatorship I'm unaware of? Japan actually has a very recent history of dictatorship -- have they reverted?

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I very well believe you and I will see an American dictator, or at least an attempted one, in our life time. But that is a discussion for another thread.
Ha. I'm assuming that thread is about how hilariously paranoid you are.
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Your argument was that AR's and large capacity magazines don't have any practical usage, in fact they do.
Go on. I'm all ears.
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