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Old 02-14-2013, 05:16 PM  
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KC Star cartoonist Lee Judge mocks Murder Of SEAL Sniper Chris Kyle



Kansas City Star cartoonist Lee Judge is responsible for this, he can be contacted at ljudge@kcstar.com. His boss, Miriam Pepper, at mpepper@kcstar.com.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:30 PM   #31
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Meh unfortunate now Zach and KChiefer have mad this thread go to DC.....
First of all, this thread is about a political cartoon.

Second, you made your own post calling the Star biased so don't act like you're above the fray.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:30 PM   #32
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Either I'm not reading it correctly, or you're not. Because I don't see how that would be "gutless, mindless and unforgivable."
You're using the murder of by all rights an american hero to twist your own political point. If you're point is strong enough you don't need to resort to such tactics.

There are multiple things that can be inferred from the cartoon.

A. Chris Kyle wasn't a good guy.
B. All people who own guns are bad.

Do I think if Chris Kyle wanted to stop that guy from shooting him he could? Very likely but doing so would have required him to kill the vet. He likely made the choice to continue to try to help that vet than to take action and was killed trying to save a life rather than take it.

Hey gave his life trying to help this guy and now the cartoonist is trying to mock that attitude. Very poor taste and looking at his other cartoon a sign of significant mental illness of his own.

We a cartoon with a grave with the #37 on it be appropriate with the tag line...if only we had more lifeguards?

Chris Kyle likely made a choice to try to help instead of kill and lost his life for it. Now we mock him for that choice.....
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:32 PM   #33
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Don't know that I can bring myself to care about this one.
Pretty much this.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:34 PM   #34
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I don't think he would think he was being mocked. Do you?
See that's the different take, I'd be willing to bet he made a choice not to kill the other guy when he probably could have. So yes a good guy with a gun probably could have saved his life. But he choose to try to save the other guy instead and failed.

We'll never know the exact circumstances of what happened, but given his training I think it's safe to say he has tools to take control of that situation that others don't.

So yes I feel they are mocking him that he choose to help rather than kill.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:36 PM   #35
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Chris Kyle likely made a choice to try to help instead of kill and lost his life for it. Now we mock him for that choice.....
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're jumping to a conclusion here not meant by the cartoonist. I think it's silly to think the author is inferring that Chris Kyle was not a good guy (on the contrary, he's saying he was a good guy), and that all people who own guns are bad.

The cartoonist isn't mocking him. He's making a political point against the argument that if only good people had guns, nothing tragic would ever happen. Political cartoonists get paid to do this, and it has a long history in this country.

The cartoon actually appears rather respectful.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:37 PM   #36
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So yes I feel they are mocking him that he choose to help rather than kill.
Can you honestly type that with a straight face? That's absurd.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:38 PM   #37
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See that's the different take, I'd be willing to bet he made a choice not to kill the other guy when he probably could have. So yes a good guy with a gun probably could have saved his life. But he choose to try to save the other guy instead and failed.
Way to just start making stuff up.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:42 PM   #38
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're jumping to a conclusion here not meant by the cartoonist. I think it's silly to think the author is inferring that Chris Kyle was not a good guy (on the contrary, he's saying he was a good guy), and that all people who own guns are bad.

The cartoonist isn't mocking him. He's making a political point against the argument that if only good people had guns, nothing tragic would ever happen. Political cartoonists get paid to do this, and it has a long history in this country.

The cartoon actually appears rather respectful.
Bingo. Not sure how there is another way to read this.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:42 PM   #39
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See that's the different take, I'd be willing to bet he made a choice not to kill the other guy when he probably could have. So yes a good guy with a gun probably could have saved his life. But he choose to try to save the other guy instead and failed.

We'll never know the exact circumstances of what happened, but given his training I think it's safe to say he has tools to take control of that situation that others don't.

So yes I feel they are mocking him that he choose to help rather than kill.
What a strange post. It's pretty easy to prove a point when you just make things up to fit your view of the situation.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:51 PM   #40
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Way to just start making stuff up.
You've never been around members of the special operations community, I have, I've seen some of their training tactics upclose they have skills and training that most have no understanding of.

Consider the skill it takes to take a shot at those three pirates in choppy seas with a their guns on the captian in the at sea rescue out near somila a few years back. Three head shots and three very difficult shots to make with the lifeboat bobbing up and down in the waves.

Those people are trained to crazy levels and not just for common cases. I would not at all underestimate their capabilities. You want to say the 'modern day' approximation of batman...that's the seals and delta etc.

But on that note I bid you a adieu. Not worth my time to argue with you to the ignore pile you go.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:56 PM   #41
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What a strange post. It's pretty easy to prove a point when you just make things up to fit your view of the situation.
Like I said I've known people trained to similar levels in related units. No seals personally(unless and old fraternity brother or two made it that I haven't talked to in a while). These guys are trained to deal with some crazy situations. While the only person who was there was the guy left, I wouldn't be at all surprised that he would have had an opportunity to act at some point. But they were there to help him you'd have to think that would be their continued mentality.

Hey who knows really only one guy for sure now, but I would never count those guys out.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:58 PM   #42
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You've never been around members of the special operations community, I have, I've seen some of their training tactics upclose they have skills and training that most have no understanding of.

Consider the skill it takes to take a shot at those three pirates in choppy seas with a their guns on the captian in the at sea rescue out near somila a few years back. Three head shots and three very difficult shots to make with the lifeboat bobbing up and down in the waves.

Those people are trained to crazy levels and not just for common cases. I would not at all underestimate their capabilities. You want to say the 'modern day' approximation of batman...that's the seals and delta etc.

But on that note I bid you a adieu. Not worth my time to argue with you to the ignore pile you go.
Better ignore DaFace as well, b/c he also saw your post as total bullshit.
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But on that note I bid you a adieu. Not worth my time to argue with you to the ignore pile you go.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:10 PM   #44
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The cartoonist is being sarcastic with his one-liner at the bottom. There was a good guy (Kyle) around who did have a gun. But still, there was a crazy dude who killed this sharpshooter. So the cartoonist is saying to the NRA that their supposedly fool-proof response to the Newton incident of putting a good guy with a gun at every school is not going to work.

If you still have problems getting the interpretation of this cartoon, call up Lee Judge and hear it straight from the horse's (or other four-legged critter's) mouth.
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Im pretty sure this thread proved the cartoonist's point.
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