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Old 02-14-2013, 05:16 PM  
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KC Star cartoonist Lee Judge mocks Murder Of SEAL Sniper Chris Kyle



Kansas City Star cartoonist Lee Judge is responsible for this, he can be contacted at ljudge@kcstar.com. His boss, Miriam Pepper, at mpepper@kcstar.com.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:46 PM   #76
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:52 PM   #77
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I read it as hey look, this trained sniper was on a shooting range full of good people who were armed, and Chris Kyle STILL was still shot.
I really, really hate to say this, but--This. Probably the first time we've ever agreed on something.

I think most people who don't get this aren't thinking it through--you're just seeing the cartoon and assuming it is a knock on Chris Kyle.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:09 AM   #78
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Kyle wasnt at a shooting range like you sre thinking of. He was in the middle of a giant wildlife expanse. He and the other gentlemen who was killed were alone with the murderer.

Being armed wont save you when you are betrayed by someone close to you. But I sure like my chances with a gun, more than without.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:13 AM   #79
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You've never been around members of the special operations community, I have, I've seen some of their training tactics upclose they have skills and training that most have no understanding of.

Consider the skill it takes to take a shot at those three pirates in choppy seas with a their guns on the captian in the at sea rescue out near somila a few years back. Three head shots and three very difficult shots to make with the lifeboat bobbing up and down in the waves.


The book SEAL Target Geronimo has a chapter on that rescue operation that is awesome.

The book Never Surrender talks about it also.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:24 AM   #80
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And doing it by using an American soldier that was murdered on American soil. He's a classless ****.
That may be true, but he's not mocking Kyle in any way. Exploiting his death ot make a point? Yes, 100% true.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:43 AM   #81
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That's pretty much my thought - he's exploiting, not mocking. It still makes him scum, just a different flavor.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:56 AM   #82
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Political cartoons are so banal and retarded, there's no reason to pay them any mind these days. That creative medium is below ****ing miming in my eyes.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:59 AM   #83
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Where is the cartoon showing the LAPD cops in a grave stating something to the effect of "If only there had been a cop around" or something to that effect.

Or how about same caption as the cartoon in the OP just have some sort of deptiction of that truck the LAPD shot up with the two ladies inside delivering papers
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:37 PM   #84
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Lee Judge 'American Sniper' cartoon brings raw emotion, reaction

February 15
By DEREK DONOVAN
The Kansas City Star

A newspaper publishes an editorial cartoon that many readers take as a mockery of a figure they hold in the highest esteem. The reaction is furious and includes histrionic language, intimidation and many unambiguous death threats to the cartoonist and editors.

The Sept. 2005 cartoons in a Danish newspaper that depicted the prophet Mohammed and spurred unrest around the globe?

No — I’m describing reaction to a recent cartoon by The Kansas City Star’s Lee Judge, which ran in print on Feb. 9. It went viral online last Thursday night, and The Star had received literally hundreds of angry reactions by early Friday morning.

The cartoon depicted a grave marked “American Sniper,” meaning Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, who was killed along with a friend while on a shooting range. Charged is a 25-year-old Iraq War veteran who may suffer from mental illness.

The caption on the cartoon read, “If only there had been a good guy with a gun around.” This is a direct reference to National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre’s recent statement, “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” Judge’s argument is that the killer was in the company of two indisputable “good guys” with guns, yet they were unable to stop an armed individual with the intent to kill, reportedly at point-blank range.

Before I go further, I need to address the completely unacceptable tenor of the majority of the early messages The Star received. Most of them were profane and many directly threatened violence to Judge or his editors. That type of vile conduct demeans the sincere and rational objections that sane and civil readers can rightly have to such a pointed piece of commentary.

Back to the cartoon. There’s no question that many people objecting to it misunderstood Judge’s point. Some thought it was implying that Kyle was one of LaPierre’s “bad guys” himself. And some people were unaware of LaPierre’s statement, so they simply interpreted the grave and headstone as a stark reminder of Kyle’s violent death.

But many understood and just plain disagreed. The prevailing sentiment from many civil readers I spoke with the next day was articulated well by emailer Courtney Anderson: “Doing this so soon after the death of Chris Kyle is just insensitive. There’s a time and place for it.”

James Mariani wrote: “Just wanted to let you know, respectfully, that the cartoon … was in poor taste. The deaths of military members … should never be used as political folly, especially these days. … We enlist to serve our nation and it is high time that using dead soldiers as a political tool or political ammunition comes to an end.”

The question of taste is of course inherently subjective, and it’s a constant point of debate. I reached out to cartoonist Glenn McCoy, whose work also tends to draw a lot of negative feedback from readers who disagree with his exaggerated caricatures and conservative points of view.

“It is the job of a cartoonist to be provocative, by forcefully, and sometimes viciously expressing our opinion,” he told me. “This often requires stretching the limits of taste. A good political cartoon is opinionated, non-objective and unfair. … Sometimes, in order to effectively make my point, I must stretch the limits of taste. It’s the thankless job of my editors to decide what goes into the newspaper.

“Like a running back I’m constantly charging at the scrimmage line of good taste. My editor’s job is to take me out at the knees.”

It’s perfectly reasonable to criticize The Star for running the cartoon on the grounds of taste. It’s also fair game to poke holes in Judge’s argument about whether the gunman could have been stopped.

But it’s the Opinion section’s job to provoke thought. Even make people angry.

The big shame is that civility was the victim here. Shooting your mouth off gives your opponents potent ammunition.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/15...#storylink=cpy
Death threats...nice.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:41 PM   #85
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James Mariani wrote: “Just wanted to let you know, respectfully, that the cartoon … was in poor taste. The deaths of military members … should never be used as political folly, especially these days. … We enlist to serve our nation and it is high time that using dead soldiers as a political tool or political ammunition comes to an end.”
THIS. SO THIS.
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Same exact comment I had, good on him.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:54 PM   #87
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THIS. SO THIS.
While I agree in a sense, 1) Kyle didn't die in the line of duty. 2) There's irony in that the shooter was also military and I don't think people would get up in arms if he were besmirched(Dorner?) 3) The cartoon ultimately isn't about Kyle other than he was "the good guy."
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:55 PM   #88
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I don't get the outrage. It's a little over the line, but it's a political cartoon. The biggest problem I have with the cartoon is that its point is pretty weak.

I also don't understand how people are so scandalized at the satirical use of someone's death on a website where there are daily threads lampooning the untimely end of any number of people. Some are criminals or whatever, but many have families that love them, etc. Why is someone who at one time worked for the military held above the same gallows humor?
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I really, really hate to say this, but--This. Probably the first time we've ever agreed on something.

I think most people who don't get this aren't thinking it through--you're just seeing the cartoon and assuming it is a knock on Chris Kyle.
They are only interested in what fits their narrative. Has there EVER been such a bunch of pissy, panties in a bunch, whining cry babies as these ****ing gun nuts lately. Shut the **** up!

They are worse than the wear pink ****ing breast cancer awareness chicks, congrats on that.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:59 PM   #90
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I believe the reaction would be different if this had been a mockery of Derrick Thomas in the week after his death.
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