A little something for the nutjobs - all that ammo

[cosmo20002]

Homeland Security and its cache of bullets
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL | Associated Press – 10 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Online rumors about a big government munitions purchase are true, sort of.

The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them — roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States — for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."

The government's explanation is much less sinister.

Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

ICE's ammunition requests in the last year included:

—450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition

—40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds

—176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract

—25,000 blank rounds

The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government's bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets.

Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant inspector general for external relations, said those bullets were for the Social Security inspector general's office, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

Jones the talk-show host did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

http://news.yahoo.com/homeland-secur...190840538.html

[LiveSteam]

Look bitches, quit deflecting. Dnt give a dam what you go to school for. Nor do I care about ammo shortages in Walmart do to Sandy hook.

BAZILLIONS of 40acp !

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Irony in the form of the uneducated telling the educated they are idiots.

Yeah, I'm sure you get the "I'm educated" card a lot. It is generally used to hint that you're an uncultured old man that lacks the ability to have an intellectual conversation.

I could reiterate what most of the sane, logical people are telling you in this thread, but that would be redundant. So I'm simply pointing out the root of your idiocy, namely your lack of education.

Now, you will continue to call me a dildo, idiot, yuppie, etc etc. It's getting old, champ.

The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons. Ralph Waldo Emerson~

[Brock]

Originally Posted by scott free

Ok, i'll bite... a subjugated workforce.

On another track, what might happen if the dollar collapsed? or a massive natural disaster? what if they decided to institute marshal law and just never went back when things became manageable.

Those MASSIVE fema camps spread all over the US in out of the way places must have some purpose, why are they there? and they ARE there, they're not just some fervid Alex Jones hallucination. What purpose do they serve, why are they ringed with multiple layers of high, razor wire topped fencing just like a prison.

There hasnt been an ammo shortage like this in many, many older peoples memory whom i know, and its being driven by our goverment, why such severe need at this point, whats causing them to feel its necessary?

Just the sprawling mess that was the DHS breakdown you posted a few pages back is worrisome to me, all of those friggin departments for one agency? what an unneccesarily huge apparatus.

It gets used so much that i think its lost its intended effect here, but i'll take Eisenhower at his word about the MIC.

There's an asteroid coming. Kiss your ass goodbye!

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by RNR

The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons. Ralph Waldo Emerson~

Just pointing out the irony.

[LiveSteam]

[Fish]

Originally Posted by scott free

Ok, i'll bite... a subjugated workforce.

On another track, what might happen if the dollar collapsed? or a massive natural disaster? what if they decided to institute marshal law and just never went back when things became manageable.

Those MASSIVE fema camps spread all over the US in out of the way places must have some purpose, why are they there? and they ARE there, they're not just some fervid Alex Jones hallucination. What purpose do they serve, why are they ringed with multiple layers of high, razor wire topped fencing just like a prison.

There hasnt been an ammo shortage like this in many, many older peoples memory whom i know, and its being driven by our goverment, why such severe need at this point, whats causing them to feel its necessary?

Just the sprawling mess that was the DHS breakdown you posted a few pages back is worrisome to me, all of those friggin departments for one agency? what an unneccesarily huge apparatus.

It gets used so much that i think its lost its intended effect here, but i'll take Eisenhower at his word about the MIC.

OK. Subjugated workforce. But again, we're back to the pesky details. How is the government going to subjugate ~90+ million gun owners like myself? And I for one would rather die fighting than be subjugated. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on that. How would the government even begin to execute that? Besides, everybody knows how lazy American workers are. It would be a terrible workforce... .

Also, what kind of workforce would it be? We couldn't be a normal manufacturing economy after that. The rest of the world would shun the US, and nobody's going to buy goods from the US government's subjugated workforce. The UN would kick us out. Global trade would change and become more difficult. Also where would the government find the manpower to manage this subjugated workforce? It would need a large force to actively control that large of a subjugated workforce. The government would have to "Hire" people to fill the rolls once held by the free market. Which wouldn't exist if there were a government market.

And another thing to consider is the corporate factor. Corporations are evil as hell. But not slave labor evil. Well some of them maybe, but not the majority. And they are the financial lifeblood of the US. Their operations would be drastically changed/ruined were the government to overtake citizens. Without a working free economy, corporations don't make profits in the bajillions. Without corporations making profits in the bajillions, governments don't get massive contributions. Corporations could leave the US, but that would also further weaken the government. And don't forget that the US is incapable of producing a majority of what we rely on daily. Would those imports stop in lieu of a government takeover? Would those countries care to deal with an outright tyrannical government?

Regarding the MASSIVE FEMA camps.... that's been thoroughly debunked. There are no such MASSIVE camps at all. There's an insane amount of misinformation regarding this. The following links have some good explanations on the debunking.

Read:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...y/news/4312850

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.c...es/fema/camps/

Regarding the ammo shortage, here's a great video explaining this, coming from an active gun advocate who deals with ammo manufacturers. 2 parts, but both parts have some really good info. Also, a good majority of the ammo shortage was due to panicked citizens. Just as it was in 2008. You really can't deny that..





As far as the DHS umbrella.... I'm not really sure what to say about that. I'm not a fan of big government, and it disappoints me to see this kind of thing too. But not because I think they're growing to battle the citizens.

Bottom line, give some credit to the founding fathers. They had some really good ideas, and created a system where 237 years later, we have a kick ass citizenry where roughly 45% of all homes own guns. The 2nd amendment was a success, because now we have a citizen gun ownership base that's too much of a challenge for anybody. Including and especially our own government. Have some faith in it.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Fish

OK. Subjugated workforce. But again, we're back to the pesky details. How is the government going to subjugate ~90+ million gun owners like myself? And I for one would rather die fighting than be subjugated. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on that. How would the government even begin to execute that? Besides, everybody knows how lazy American workers are. It would be a terrible workforce... .

Also, what kind of workforce would it be? We couldn't be a normal manufacturing economy after that. The rest of the world would shun the US, and nobody's going to buy goods from the US government's subjugated workforce. The UN would kick us out. Global trade would change and become more difficult. Also where would the government find the manpower to manage this subjugated workforce? It would need a large force to actively control that large of a subjugated workforce. The government would have to "Hire" people to fill the rolls once held by the free market. Which wouldn't exist if there were a government market.

And another thing to consider is the corporate factor. Corporations are evil as hell. But not slave labor evil. Well some of them maybe, but not the majority. And they are the financial lifeblood of the US. Their operations would be drastically changed/ruined were the government to overtake citizens. Without a working free economy, corporations don't make profits in the bajillions. Without corporations making profits in the bajillions, governments don't get massive contributions. Corporations could leave the US, but that would also further weaken the government. And don't forget that the US is incapable of producing a majority of what we rely on daily. Would those imports stop in lieu of a government takeover? Would those countries care to deal with an outright tyrannical government?

Regarding the MASSIVE FEMA camps.... that's been thoroughly debunked. There are no such MASSIVE camps at all. There's an insane amount of misinformation regarding this. The following links have some good explanations on the debunking.

Read:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...y/news/4312850

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.c...es/fema/camps/

Regarding the ammo shortage, here's a great video explaining this, coming from an active gun advocate who deals with ammo manufacturers. 2 parts, but both parts have some really good info. Also, a good majority of the ammo shortage was due to panicked citizens. Just as it was in 2008. You really can't deny that..





As far as the DHS umbrella.... I'm not really sure what to say about that. I'm not a fan of big government, and it disappoints me to see this kind of thing too. But not because I think they're growing to battle the citizens.

Bottom line, give some credit to the founding fathers. They had some really good ideas, and created a system where 237 years later, we have a kick ass citizenry where roughly 45% of all homes own guns. The 2nd amendment was a success, because now we have a citizen gun ownership base that's too much of a challenge for anybody. Including and especially our own government. Have some faith in it.

No you are not alone. The point is that we are talking about a game of inches. Our government is looking at the long game. You are right that dog won't hunt right now but you can bet your ass they are not working the "now" angle. Get more people dependent on the government for protection an support and over time then what you dismiss becomes very real. Save me the UN bullshit almost all Americans are buying and wearing products manufactured in sweat shops from third world countries rather it is high end tennis shoes or clothes from Wal-mart~

[frazod]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Woo, I went from an idiot to an intelligent nerd. Progress. But, I lettered in football, basketball, and track in HS. So, keep trying.

I don't know who that is, but it does indicate I'm not the first to call you out on your bull shit.

Yeah, sure you did. All part of the confidence you exude by being a petty, sniping, hypersenstive internet troll, right?

You're a pompous, unrepentant liar with a massive inferiority complex. Exactly the traits I'd look for in a physician - assuming you're not lying about that as well.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by RNR

If you do not wear a red nose and big shoes you should. You and people like Direckshun are nothing but sheep to your party. Your counter parts like sportsshrink and shitsprayer show how blind loyalty is not only the current problem in this country but will be the fall of it. You shitbags are not able to think for yourselves~

To you, not believing in the most crackpot of theories = being a sheep. You have a very peculiar way of looking at things. Unless you are just pretending to be a functional retard for fun on a messageboard, you are clearly delusional and probably borderline psychotic.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

To you, not believing in the most crackpot of theories = being a sheep. You have a very peculiar way of looking at things. Unless you are just pretending to be a functional retard for fun on a messageboard, you are clearly delusional and probably borderline psychotic.

Coming from you this is the highest of compliments I could be given~

[notorious]

RNR, your Avatar is technically incorrect. A copy of the original states "DONT TREAD ON ME". (No apostrophe)

I have a flag hanging in my reloading room.

I love what it stands for!

[RNR]

Originally Posted by notorious

RNR, your Avatar is technically incorrect. A copy of the original states "DONT TREAD ON ME". (No apostrophe)

I have a flag hanging in my reloading room.

I love what that flag stands for!

no artistic liberties allowed?

[notorious]

Originally Posted by RNR

no artistic liberties allowed?

I love it however it is shown. ****in' A.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by notorious

RNR, your Avatar is technically incorrect. A copy of the original states "DONT TREAD ON ME". (No apostrophe)

I have a flag hanging in my reloading room.

I love what it stands for!

It is a very underrated Metallica song. I admit I have no idea the origin of the phrase and snake though.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by frazod

Yeah, sure you did. All part of the confidence you exude by being a petty, sniping, hypersenstive internet troll, right?

You're a pompous, unrepentant liar with a massive inferiority complex

Irony