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Old 02-14-2013, 11:24 PM  
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Homeland Security and its cache of bullets
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL | Associated Press – 10 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Online rumors about a big government munitions purchase are true, sort of.

The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them — roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States — for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."

The government's explanation is much less sinister.

Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

ICE's ammunition requests in the last year included:

—450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition

—40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds

—176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract

—25,000 blank rounds

The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government's bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets.

Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant inspector general for external relations, said those bullets were for the Social Security inspector general's office, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

Jones the talk-show host did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

http://news.yahoo.com/homeland-secur...190840538.html
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:56 AM   #76
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Well dummy, it's true. No government has ever overtaken its citizenry over such a giant range of terrain, against a populace that is as armed as current US citizens. And you're still ignoring why such a thing would be something the US government would desire. This isn't a G.I. Joe cartoon where evil entities want to enslave the world for no apparent reason....
Look Dummy/ GI ****ing Joe liberated Europe not that long ago.or did you forget that or just skip history class?
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:04 AM   #77
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Well dummy, it's true. No government has ever overtaken its citizenry over such a giant range of terrain, against a populace that is as armed as current US citizens.
Step one: Limit their arms. Make it so they can't defend themselves properly.

This quote has been attributed to three different men, but it's still worth taking note of...
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public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose
fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the
world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have pro-
gressed through this sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith.
2. From spiritual faith to great courage.
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8. From apathy to dependency.
9. From dependency back again into bondage.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:14 AM   #78
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Step one: Limit their arms. Make it so they can't defend themselves properly.

This quote has been attributed to three different men, but it's still worth taking note of...
Step 2: Steal underpants.
Step 3: ...
Step 4: Profit!

But you're still ignoring why it would be essentially impossible to achieve, or why the US government would even want to do so.

Look, I'm a gun owner and staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. I'm just pointing out how unlikely these government takeover fears really are...
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:20 AM   #79
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its funny how one can call something a "kooky conspiracy" and point and laugh.....but then turn around and worship and "believe" at the steps of the altar of Al Gore.

Like a business having a good audit team........Jones, unlike anyone in the MSM, serves up information that can help keep the public from blindly accepting what the government feeds us.
By serving up information with no basis in reality? So people can blindly accept what Alex Jones is serving? Not blindly accepting what the govt feeds doesn't mean turning to an absolute bullshit artist spinning tales of doom.

And Al Gore is repeating what climatologists have said. What they say is backed with science. Alex Jones is backed with his webcam.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:22 AM   #80
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And Al Gore is repeating what climatologists have said. What they say is backed with science.
Just asserting that it's backed up with science doesn't make it factually true. It's not backed up with science and there are scientists, including an MIT meterologist, who disagree with Gore.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:22 AM   #81
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History books don't really account for the feasibility of something like this happening on US soil in today's times. The US is vastly different than any of the historical instances of government tyranny in the past. US citizens are infinitely better armed and prepared. And the sheer size of the US makes something like a government takeover essentially impossible. That's the key that conspiracy theory nuts often overlook. It would be the equivalent of a government takeover of the entirety of Europe. Actually more so when you compare the size of the US to Europe. An undertaking like what you're fearing would be such an incredible challenge that it wouldn't be worth the effort to undertake. Especially considering that the US government is currently sitting fat and happy with all sorts of advantages that they would completely lose should they decide to war with their citizenry. It just doesn't make any sense...

Would you think it feasible that the entirety of Europe could be overtaken by a single government? And all of Europe doesn't even compare to the size of the US...

Thanks for making all our points for us. Yeah, we're better armed and prepared. BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON ****ING THAT UP, AREN'T THEY? For our own protection, of course.

And as for taking over the entirety of Europe, yeah, that's never happened before, has it?
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:26 AM   #82
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But you're still ignoring why it would be essentially impossible to achieve, or why the US government would even want to do so.

Look, I'm a gun owner and staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. I'm just pointing out how unlikely these government takeover fears really are...
Why would ANY government want to? Each probably had it's own reason to take over it's country. The problem is that our government is on a proven plan to ruin what our countries fathers envisioned and the people are starting to follow the plan. It may not happen in our time, but it's on track to getting there.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:28 AM   #83
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Why would ANY government want to? Each probably had it's own reason to take over it's country. The problem is that our government is on a proven plan to ruin what our countries fathers envisioned and the people are starting to follow the plan. It may not happen in our time, but it's on track to getting there.
It has happened for 70 years, and is continuing to happen. We're close to arrival.
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It makes perfect sense, it just requires that at some point in your life you cracked a ****ing history book to understand it. Governments rise, fall and change all the time. The best an average citizen can hope for is that it doesn't happen in his or her lifetime.


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I doubt anybody takes you seriously in your life. Not a chance. Say this the next time you are in a public place where you are having a conversation and let us know how that works out for ya.
I just love it when ****tards like you prove how stupid they are without even realizing it.

Bravo, windowlicker. Go have a popsicle - try to remember to stick in it your mouth and not your ass this time.
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I just love it when ****tards like you prove how stupid they are without even realizing it.

Bravo, windowlicker. Go have a popsicle - try to remember to stick in it your mouth and not your ass this time.
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By serving up information with no basis in reality? So people can blindly accept what Alex Jones is serving? Not blindly accepting what the govt feeds doesn't mean turning to an absolute bullshit artist spinning tales of doom.

And Al Gore is repeating what climatologists have said. What they say is backed with science. Alex Jones is backed with his webcam.
The fact that the MSM has had to acknowledge Jones and provide "responses" should tell you all you need to know.

And if you'd take the time to investigate, you'd know that Jones produces hundreds of documents to support his tirades.

Does he sensationalize stories to generate ratings? Of course he does. Like I said, it's the information, not the delivery that is important.

That all said - I must have touched a nerve on the Al Gore stuff. You're proving my point that it's all about what you choose to be afraid of and believe in. I respect that. And I wont call you a kook for doing so.
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Thanks for making all our points for us. Yeah, we're better armed and prepared. BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON ****ING THAT UP, AREN'T THEY? For our own protection, of course.

And as for taking over the entirety of Europe, yeah, that's never happened before, has it?
The reasoning for why the US government can't outright overtake its citizens, is the same reasoning that can be applied to why they can't take away our guns.

And overtaking Europe by force was only achieved when multiple countries grouped together. And we're still talking about an area roughly the size of Texas alone. While still ignoring the fact that current Americans are infinitely better armed.
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