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Pope Benedict Seeking Immunity?

Pope Benedict to seek immunity and protection from Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23 Posted on February 14, 2013 by itccs

http://itccs.org/2013/02/14/pope-ben...n-february-23/

Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.

Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.

In response to the February 23 meeting, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), through its field Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, has written to President Napolitano, asking him to refrain from assisting Ratzinger in evading justice.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:55 AM   #91
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:16 AM   #92
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Honestly, any Bishop who knowingly moved a Priest multiple times, thus propagating the abuse and spreading it is as guilty as those who committed the abuse. The Bishops failed to protect their flocks from sexual predators, plain and simple.
How many of these multiple move bishops do you think there were or are you just assuming they're all guilty?
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:34 AM   #93
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How many of these multiple move bishops do you think there were or are you just assuming they're all guilty?
I am not assuming anything...but even just one expands theses heinous crimes at an unacceptable rate. How many priests did Cardinal Law move around just on his own?

If the Catholic church does not want assumptions made about its clergy...it should be completely honest about the extent of the problem, which has now clearly been shown to be widespread throughout the world.

If the Pope were the head coach of Penn State, I don't think nearly as many people would be defending him....it can be argued that they are both guilty of the same offense.
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I am not assuming anything...but even just one expands theses heinous crimes at an unacceptable rate. How many priests did Cardinal Law move around just on his own?

If the Catholic church does not want assumptions made about its clergy...it should be completely honest about the extent of the problem, which has now clearly been shown to be widespread throughout the world.

If the Pope were the head coach of Penn State, I don't think nearly as many people would be defending him....it can be argued that they are both guilty of the same offense.
Not with any merit.
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Not with any merit.
In your opinion. We can agree to disagree. The Catholic Church cared more about protecting itself and pedophile priests than it did about children, and they did so for many, many years. The criticism they are getting is well deserved, and it is reasonable to not give them benefit of the doubt.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:48 AM   #96
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Watched the documentary yesterday.

What's even more shocking / damning is the priests who DID try to help and who DID report the abuse.

They were basically told to move on and that it was "being handled".

I tell you, I'm a lifelong Catholic - and this whole sexual abuse scandal has shaken my belief in the church to its core / made it nonexistent. I no longer feel obligated to go to Mass and they sure as hell aren't getting one dime of my money.

ESPECIALLY here in KC, where Bishop Finn moved that sick SOB from parish to parish.
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I am not assuming anything...but even just one expands theses heinous crimes at an unacceptable rate. How many priests did Cardinal Law move around just on his own?

If the Catholic church does not want assumptions made about its clergy...it should be completely honest about the extent of the problem, which has now clearly been shown to be widespread throughout the world.

If the Pope were the head coach of Penn State, I don't think nearly as many people would be defending him....it can be argued that they are both guilty of the same offense.
The extent of the problem is that it was 2% of priests. If you want to say 4% that's still not most of them. It's just those priests did it to numerous children over many years. This is the same percent of cases as happens in other denominations who keep it quiet. Yes, protestants as well as rabbis too. With teachers, I've read it's as high as 10% and yes they move them around to other districts too. It's called "passing the trash." Families hide it, Boy Scouts hide it...Face it—people don't like to admit it happened in their group.

One of America's favorite pastimes is bashing the RCC. It's should be called a sport.
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In your opinion. We can agree to disagree. The Catholic Church cared more about protecting itself and pedophile priests than it did about children, and they did so for many, many years. The criticism they are getting is well deserved, and it is reasonable to not give them benefit of the doubt.
Yeah, it may be deserved—but other denominations and groups shouldn't be let off the hook either. Why is it that only the RCC gets all the press? Think about that.
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In your opinion. We can agree to disagree. The Catholic Church cared more about protecting itself and pedophile priests than it did about children, and they did so for many, many years. The criticism they are getting is well deserved, and it is reasonable to not give them benefit of the doubt.
This all tracks back to the Vatican plain and simple. The replies “The Vatican didn't move priests!” “ It was the Archdioceses that moved priests!” Simple question why is Ratzinger concerned about Immunity again? The apologists will continue to defend moving priests around allowing them to molest again and the church hiding and protecting them from prosecution, on a worldwide scale. Whatever makes their world work~
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Catholic bashing and pedophile priests

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The author is Jewish. Irrelevant? Well at least it's not a RC being defensive.


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As the platoons of political correctness pile on regarding priestly pedophilia, it's important to keep in mind another "p" word: perspective.

An objective analysis of the situation suggests, first, that the Catholic church is no worse than others when it comes to the incidence of child molesters in its ranks. Second, whatever the failings of the Catholic hierarchy in dealing with this appalling problem (and they are legion), those sins pale in comparison to the blatant hypocrisy of the Church's enemies on this issue.

In fact, some of those adversaries inadvertently assist the process of placing the scandal in context. Sylvia Demarest, a Texas lawyer, won a $119 million jury award on behalf of former altar boys abused in Dallas, and tracked allegations against priests in every part of the country. She told the Washington Post that her updated list of priests who stand accused of molesting children will reach 1,500 names – representing about 2 percent of the 60,000 priests who have served in the United States since 1984. Even this modest percentage may overstate the problem, since no one would suggest that every member of clergy who stands accused of pedophilia is actually guilty of the crime.

Ms. Demarest's numbers conform with estimates by Thomas Plante, a California psychologist at Santa Clara University who treats priests who have molested minors. "The best data we have is that approximately 5 percent of priests have a predilection toward minors," he declared. "That seems consistent with other clergy who are not priests (such as Protestant ministers or rabbis)." Moreover, Plante cites research suggesting that among the general population, 8 percent feel sexually attracted to children – a higher percentage than among priests or other clergy. Such numbers, or course, reflect those who feel sexually drawn to contact with kids, rather than indicating the percentage who actually act upon this inclination.

The Washington Post, an establishment liberal journal with no reason to whitewash the church, approvingly cites Gary Schoener, a psychologist in Minneapolis whose Walk-In Counseling Center has consulted with more than 1,000 victims of sexual abuse by clergy. He also affirms that the percentage of abusers among Catholic priests is no higher than among Protestant ministers.


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Why, then, the disproportionate focus on problems within the Church? In part, that emphasis stems from a few truly horrifying high-profile cases and multi-million dollar legal settlements, like the example of Boston's John Geoghan who personally molested more than 130 children.

Then there is also the status of the Catholic Church as the most visible, powerful religious institution in the world: General resentment of organized religion will often focus on the Church of Rome, the most centrally organized and hierarchical faith on earth.

Finally, many attacks center on the tradition of priestly celibacy, in a spasm of trendy Catholic-bashing that reflects the basest sort of inconsistency. Gay activists and establishment opinion leaders unequivocally insist that homosexual identity is innate and inborn as blue eyes or left-handedness. These same enlightened thinkers then turn around and say that celibacy in the priesthood pushes prelates to pedophilia. If only priests were allowed to marry, the conventional wisdom declares, then they wouldn't even feel tempted to molest little boys.

This proposition contradicts basic liberal assumptions about gay identity: If a priest is congenitally gay due to factors utterly beyond his control, how could marriage ever re-wire his orientation? This might work only if the Church sanctioned same-sex marriage for its priests, a radical demand that few critics of celibacy dare to advance.

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Meanwhile, the tragic experience of child-molesting priests undermines another pillar of politically correct thinking. Gay activists repeatedly insist that pedophilia has no connection to homosexuality – that straight people are just as likely to abuse children as gay people. That contention flies in the face of statistics and experience: Consider the prominent public fascination with underage boys in gay pornography, and even in some of the ads in "mainstream" gay publications. Heterosexuals display no comparable obsession with little girls in their fantasies.

Moreover, nearly all victims of child-molesting priests turned out to be little boys, not little girls. If celibacy caused this problem, rather than homosexuality, why wouldn't straight priests laboring under the same sexual restrictions abuse girls at least as frequently as their colleagues ravished boys?

This uncomfortable question touches another illogical position of those who want to use this scandal as an excuse to attack a traditionalist church. The same people expressing the most strident condemnation of gay priests molesting young boys, also demand public pressure to force the Boy Scouts to embrace gay scout masters – insisting that such leaders present no danger to our sons.

As a non-Catholic, I feel confident that the Church will eventually clean house and deal with the problems of its clergy. But leftwing critics of the Church may never come to grips with the obvious internal contradictions in their own irrational ideas.
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This all tracks back to the Vatican plain and simple. The replies “The Vatican didn't move priests!” “ It was the Archdioceses that moved priests!” Simple question why is Ratzinger concerned about Immunity again? The apologists will continue to defend moving priests around allowing them to molest again and the church hiding and protecting them from prosecution, on a worldwide scale. Whatever makes their world work
I don't see anyone here apologizing for how the RCC handled it or that it happened. Just that the RCC gets the brunt of the criticism when this is a widespread manner of handling such situations. Or that it was most priests. I read about the school districts "passing the trash" even in some education publication articles.
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The extent of the problem is that it was 2% of priests. If you want to say 4% that's still not most of them. It's just those priests did it to numerous children over many years. This is the same percent of cases as happens in other denominations who keep it quiet. Yes, protestants as well as rabbis too. With teachers, I've read it's as high as 10% and yes they move them around to other districts too. It's called "passing the trash." Families hide it, Boy Scouts hide it...Face it—people don't like to admit it happened in their group.

One of America's favorite pastimes is bashing the RCC. It's should be called a sport.
Any organization that conducts itself in such a manner would get an equal amount of criticism and scorn from me. And the people in those organizations should get prosecuted and sent to jail, in my opinion. The Catholic Church has earned its "bashing" by its own conduct. Any organization that engages in similar conduct is equally deserving of bashing.
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Yeah, it may be deserved—but other denominations and groups shouldn't be let off the hook either. Why is it that only the RCC gets all the press? Think about that.
That is the presses problem, not mine. The amount of coverage given to the RCC does not change the evil and vile acts that occurred.
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In your opinion. We can agree to disagree. The Catholic Church cared more about protecting itself and pedophile priests than it did about children, and they did so for many, many years. The criticism they are getting is well deserved, and it is reasonable to not give them benefit of the doubt.
I love it when people try and pretend like they know something, when they really don't. You're a perfect example.
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I love it when people try and pretend like they know something, when they really don't. You're a perfect example.
So you think the RCC is completely innocent, and the criticism of it is unfounded?

You are a perfect example of a ****ing idiot.
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