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Old 02-16-2013, 04:29 PM  
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Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”


The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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Old 02-16-2013, 05:03 PM   #76
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I know you guys want your pitchforks but it doesn't seem like there is.
Yeah, because Cam Newton was such a better prospect than Geno.

Since you know, he had no attitude issues and was a flawless passer with great footwork.
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Old 02-16-2013, 05:03 PM   #77
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Yeah, yeah. I am the dumbass now.
I wasn't saying that. I just a few posts mentioning a smoke screen and it doesn't fit with the number 1 pick overall.

I'm not going to lose my shit over it. I'm happy with who is running this franchise. Just going to have to roll with the punches. Why do we keep getting top picks in shitty draft classes? Why does God hate the Chiefs? LOL
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Old 02-16-2013, 05:04 PM   #78
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well if the league really does think there aren't any high draft QB's then we need to make sure and have a plan to trade back into the middle of the 1st round after we select someone else at #1.
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Old 02-16-2013, 05:04 PM   #79
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I know you guys want your pitchforks but it doesn't seem like there is. In true Chiefs fashion it looks like when WE get the #1 pick the options available to us are sub par. No matter how much you guys wanna rationalize Geno this sucks hard for us.
No matter how much you want to jump the gun, it's not even March yet. We have a combine and pro days to go. There is a ton of evaluation left. The year Newton came out, everyone thought the same thing.
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well if the league really does think there aren't any high draft QB's then we need to make sure and have a plan to trade back into the middle of the 1st round after we select someone else at #1.
Yeah, let's just make sure we do that because that's always an option.
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Don't care what anyone says, even our GM, until after they've had the opportunity to go through the combine, interviews, pro days, etc.
exactly
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Yeah, because Cam Newton was such a better prospect than Geno.

Since you know, he had no attitude issues and was a flawless passer with great footwork.
I get that you are drinking the koolaid of Geno being elite and that is what you need to have some drama filled identity around here. And when he goes to the Chiefs and is shit you will be leading the charge with photoshops about how shitty it is.

You are as the dramatic winds blow. I have read this book before and it is boring. You don't actually believe in anything.
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Don't care what anyone says, even our GM, until after they've had the opportunity to go through the combine, interviews, pro days, etc.
yea, things can still change a bunch.

Quarterbacks start having workouts and interviews and they can move up fast.
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Keep Cassel to be the backup if he takes a paycut. If not cut him.
Trade for Foles.
Draft a mid round QB in round 4-5 like Landry Jones to be the backup.

That's what the media is projecting.
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Yeah, because Cam Newton was such a better prospect than Geno.

Since you know, he had no attitude issues and was a flawless passer with great footwork.
Cam won titles in JUCO and at Auburn.
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Look, I'll trust in Dorsey, no matter the pick. Doesn't mean I'll like it, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not like he's had a hand in building championship caliber rosters or anything....
This. Reid and Dorsey have a history of really caring about the qb position. Neither have been shy about making bold moves at qb. And they seem to be making it clear that fixing the qb is an absolute priority.

I trust Dorsey's evaluation process. I am rooting for geno, but if Dorsey is thorough and believes he's not the guy, we at least should give him the chance to show us what his backup plan is. And he should get 2-3 years to show what that is.
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Keep Cassel to be the backup if he takes a paycut. If not cut him.
Trade for Foles.
Draft a mid round QB in round 4-5 like Landry Jones to be the backup.

That's what the media is projecting.
Looking like that.


If we aren't drafting a QB at 1, I'd think about letting Albert walk and taking Joeckel, simply because I don't know what else we take at 1.
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I wasn't saying that. I just a few posts mentioning a smoke screen and it doesn't fit with the number 1 pick overall.

I'm not going to lose my shit over it. I'm happy with who is running this franchise. Just going to have to roll with the punches. Why do we keep getting top picks in shitty draft classes? Why does God hate the Chiefs? LOL
Pretty much. Pick him...dont pick him. Do whatever is best for the team but don't box yourself into a shitty player (if that is how they evaluate him) because Chiefs fans have a bad history of being shit on.
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Cam won titles in JUCO and at Auburn.
Nice edit there.
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