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Old 02-17-2013, 12:01 PM  
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Missouri: the newest front for "intelligent design" peddling.

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Rick Brattin, Who Wants Anti-Evolution Lessons In Missouri Schools: "I'm A Science Enthusiast"
By Sam Levin
Thu., Feb. 7 2013 at 7:00 AM

Missouri Representative Rick Brattin, a Republican, has introduced a bill that would mandate schools across the state give "equal treatment" to the theory of evolution and so-called "intelligent design," which is similar to creationism.

Why?

"I'm a science enthusiast," he tells Daily RFT. "I'm a huge science buff."

He's not, however, much of a Darwin fan.

Meet House Bill 291, the so-called Missouri Standard Science Act, which "requires the equal treatment of science instruction regarding evolution and intelligent design."

What would those requirements look like? As per the bill, full text below:

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Textbooks covering any scientific theory of biological origin must devote equal treatment to evolution and intelligent design. Physical evidence must support the teaching of prehistory, and any conjecture about occurrence, causes, dates or lengths of time must be presented as theory or hypothesis, as defined in the bill. Naturalistic processes in prehistory must be duplicated by analogous naturalistic processes, as defined in the bill. False theories or hypotheses must be identified as false.
Brattin explains to us, "I just believe that there are more theories than one in science."

What the bill does, he says, is mandate that teachers and instructional material "distinguish what is, in fact, theory and what is, in fact, empirical data.... There's so much of the theory of evolution that is being taught as fact...things like the primordial ooze."

He adds, "With theories, they need to have equal treatment, objective treatment, not one brushed aside."

The one he doesn't want brushed aside is intelligent design, an alternative theory of life to natural selection.

Critics of these kinds of measures across the country argue that proposals to insert creationism or intelligent design into the classroom are generally tied to thinly veiled religious agendas and, you know, undermine the theory of evolution.

But his bill has nothing to do with religion, Brattin says. In fact -- it is the opponents who are being religious in their stubborn support of evolution.

"This is like their religion," he says. "They believe this wholeheartedly.... They believe you are attacking what is absolutely one hundred percent true. I've had numerous college professors within biology, school science teachers...who say they are not allowed to teach any type of theory [like intelligent design].... They are banned from the science community."

Brattin argues that he is motivated to put forward this bill because he believes in science.

"This isn't preaching that God designed this," he says. "This is saying, it had to come from some sort of intelligence."

He cites the complexity of even the simplest forms of life and the molecules that make them up.

"The naysayers keep involving religion," says Brattin, who also introduced this bill last year. "This has to do with science. This is about testable data in today's world."
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:16 PM   #16
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Sucks to look at an issue from different perspectives.
Surprise, retards think this is a good idea.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:52 PM   #17
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Well this is sad. We were already doing poorly, but teaching mythology as science will ensure we hit rock bottom.


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Old 02-17-2013, 06:54 PM   #18
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I'm pretty sure the majority of Missouri voters believe in the Creation story but I could be wrong. Or belive they co-exist. I think only a minority believe a big bang caused life.
I'm pretty sure a majority of Missouri voters couldn't solve a differential equation if their lives depended on it. Should they decide what must be taught in Calculus classes?

It's not generally a good idea to decide these things by popular vote.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:56 PM   #19
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Republicans just don't get it. This bill is going to win over a bunch of people that would never have voted Democrat in their lives, and turn off everyone else. But then they'll just blame their dwindling numbers on the "moocher class" who wants everything for free. It could never be the fact that fundamentalists who believe this stuff are dying off in droves and it scares away everyone else. Repeat cycle until irrelevance.

There are plenty of things Democrats are doing right now that I don't like it all. I believe in social safety programs, but I think they're mushrooming out of control. I think public-sector unions have way way too much power right now, and are choking the life out of cities and states. If Republicans ever become truly fiscal conservative, and drop all this anti-science, religious meddling in peoples lives crap, I would seriously consider becoming a republican. Oh yeah, and stop talking about raising defense spending when we already spend more than the rest of the world combined. Do those things, and I will vote Republican, I promise.
Just a thought. No one is paying any attention to this except for loons. Have a nice time with your friends.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:59 PM   #20
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Just a thought. No one is paying any attention to this except for loons. Have a nice time with your friends.
It would be nice if you could come up with an intelligent response.

That is, if you are capable of it. I doubt you have a lick of scientific literacy.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:01 PM   #21
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Just a thought. No one is paying any attention to this except for loons. Have a nice time with your friends.
If by "loons", you mean the Creationists who are trying to legislate that their religious beliefs must be taught in science class, then you are correct.

But I suspect that's not what you meant.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:02 PM   #22
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le sigh. not surprising, but still sad.

there are a REMARKABLE amount of people that lack any basic knowledge of biology. you'd be shocked at the amount of people that don't know that EVERY SINGLE ****ING ONE OF US starts life as a single-cell.

yet these ****ers, who don't understand genetics, LET ALONE EVOLUTION, want to teach pseudoscience bullshit.

advanced technology and science, were they shown to primitive people, are seen as magic.

yes, there are a LOT of dumb mother****ers out there.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:04 PM   #23
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Just a thought. No one is paying any attention to this except for loons. Have a nice time with your friends.
WTF HCF, religion is about faith, not science. Religious faith and religion have no place in a science classroom.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:34 PM   #24
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le sigh. not surprising, but still sad.

there are a REMARKABLE amount of people that lack any basic knowledge of biology. you'd be shocked at the amount of people that don't know that EVERY SINGLE ****ING ONE OF US starts life as a single-cell.

yet these ****ers, who don't understand genetics, LET ALONE EVOLUTION, want to teach pseudoscience bullshit.

advanced technology and science, were they shown to primitive people, are seen as magic.

yes, there are a LOT of dumb mother****ers out there.
I'm no fan of Intelligent Design. It's a stupid idea to teach it in science class.

Just wondering though, does this mean you categorically reject any possibility that a supreme being used evolution as a means to create life?

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Republicans just don't get it. This bill is going to win over a bunch of people that would never have voted Democrat in their lives, and turn off everyone else. But then they'll just blame their dwindling numbers on the "moocher class" who wants everything for free. It could never be the fact that fundamentalists who believe this stuff are dying off in droves and it scares away everyone else. Repeat cycle until irrelevance.

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This. I used to be a republican till they went off the ****ing deep end.
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Old 02-17-2013, 08:03 PM   #28
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I'm no fan of Intelligent Design. It's a stupid idea to teach it in science class.

Just wondering though, does this mean you categorically reject any possibility that a supreme being used evolution as a means to create life?

I don't claim to have any knowledge as to if there even IS a supreme being, but that's a different topic (I'm an atheist scientist). As I categorically reject the possibility OF a supreme being, of COURSE I reject that evolution was a tool in his/her/its toolbox.
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I'll never understand this shit. It's like the people that want to push these bills through have this massive inferiority complex, almost like they're afraid people will consider them "less than" if they don't accept how they believe, or something.

A monumental waste of taxpayer money and time. GFY, Rick Brattin. Worry more about the real issues facing your district and state.
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