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Old 02-17-2013, 01:01 PM  
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Missouri: the newest front for "intelligent design" peddling.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dai...ri_schools.php

Rick Brattin, Who Wants Anti-Evolution Lessons In Missouri Schools: "I'm A Science Enthusiast"
By Sam Levin
Thu., Feb. 7 2013 at 7:00 AM

Missouri Representative Rick Brattin, a Republican, has introduced a bill that would mandate schools across the state give "equal treatment" to the theory of evolution and so-called "intelligent design," which is similar to creationism.

Why?

"I'm a science enthusiast," he tells Daily RFT. "I'm a huge science buff."

He's not, however, much of a Darwin fan.

Meet House Bill 291, the so-called Missouri Standard Science Act, which "requires the equal treatment of science instruction regarding evolution and intelligent design."

What would those requirements look like? As per the bill, full text below:

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Textbooks covering any scientific theory of biological origin must devote equal treatment to evolution and intelligent design. Physical evidence must support the teaching of prehistory, and any conjecture about occurrence, causes, dates or lengths of time must be presented as theory or hypothesis, as defined in the bill. Naturalistic processes in prehistory must be duplicated by analogous naturalistic processes, as defined in the bill. False theories or hypotheses must be identified as false.
Brattin explains to us, "I just believe that there are more theories than one in science."

What the bill does, he says, is mandate that teachers and instructional material "distinguish what is, in fact, theory and what is, in fact, empirical data.... There's so much of the theory of evolution that is being taught as fact...things like the primordial ooze."

He adds, "With theories, they need to have equal treatment, objective treatment, not one brushed aside."

The one he doesn't want brushed aside is intelligent design, an alternative theory of life to natural selection.

Critics of these kinds of measures across the country argue that proposals to insert creationism or intelligent design into the classroom are generally tied to thinly veiled religious agendas and, you know, undermine the theory of evolution.

But his bill has nothing to do with religion, Brattin says. In fact -- it is the opponents who are being religious in their stubborn support of evolution.

"This is like their religion," he says. "They believe this wholeheartedly.... They believe you are attacking what is absolutely one hundred percent true. I've had numerous college professors within biology, school science teachers...who say they are not allowed to teach any type of theory [like intelligent design].... They are banned from the science community."

Brattin argues that he is motivated to put forward this bill because he believes in science.

"This isn't preaching that God designed this," he says. "This is saying, it had to come from some sort of intelligence."

He cites the complexity of even the simplest forms of life and the molecules that make them up.

"The naysayers keep involving religion," says Brattin, who also introduced this bill last year. "This has to do with science. This is about testable data in today's world."
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:10 PM   #31
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I'm no fan of Intelligent Design. It's a stupid idea to teach it in science class.

Just wondering though, does this mean you categorically reject any possibility that a supreme being used evolution as a means to create life?

That's an idea I can get behind. But we will never know. So, I prefer to marvel at the complex structures the mechanism of evolution has bestowed upon us.

If a supreme being (i.e. God) employed this mechanism, then hell yes.
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:10 PM   #32
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I don't claim to have any knowledge as to if there even IS a supreme being, but that's a different topic (I'm an atheist scientist). As I categorically reject the possibility OF a supreme being, of COURSE I reject that evolution was a tool in his/her/its toolbox.
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:16 PM   #33
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I'm pretty sure a majority of Missouri voters couldn't solve a differential equation if their lives depended on it. Should they decide what must be taught in Calculus classes?

It's not generally a good idea to decide these things by popular vote.
I might not be able to any more either, been way too many years since Diffy-Q
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:18 PM   #34
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:23 PM   #35
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:26 PM   #36
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Nice. I did some undergrad work in genetics before grad school.
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:35 PM   #37
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Nice. I did some undergrad work in genetics before grad school.
Nice. I did my undergrad work in endocytosis with Saccharomyces cerevisiae. VERY exciting, let me tell you (gah. make a knockout using a plasmid, grow/culture, make pics using spinning confocal miscoscope, write up paper, profit).
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:46 PM   #38
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Nice. I did my undergrad work in endocytosis with Saccharomyces cerevisiae. VERY exciting, let me tell you (gah. make a knockout using a plasmid, grow/culture, make pics using spinning confocal miscoscope, write up paper, profit).
Sounds like it. My project wasn't much better, which is the main reason I didn't want to go into research. Kudos to you though, I have a lot of respect for those who do research.

I also wanted to use all the stuff you guys uncover to treat patients
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:52 PM   #39
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Sounds like it. My project wasn't much better, which is the main reason I didn't want to go into research. Kudos to you though, I have a lot of respect for those who do research.

I also wanted to use all the stuff you guys uncover to treat patients
I tell people in all sincerity that I'd do what I do for free if I were independently wealthy (have to pay the bills after all). Doing research drives me and keeps me going. The thrill that comes with finding a new mutation and characterizing it is... Indescribable.

Anyway, enough geek shit. This is a thread about idiotic rednecks who barely got a C in high school biology and their thriving to make all of us see how THEY see.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:03 PM   #40
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I tell people in all sincerity that I'd do what I do for free if I were independently wealthy (have to pay the bills after all). Doing research drives me and keeps me going. The thrill that comes with finding a new mutation and characterizing it is... Indescribable.

Anyway, enough geek shit. This is a thread about idiotic rednecks who barely got a C in high school biology and their thriving to make all of us see how THEY see.
Glad you enjoy it. Discoveries in genetics could potentially revolutionize the way we approach and treat a wide variety of disorders, so it is extremely important work. Not to mention, the potential for profound findings is seemingly endless at this point.

Sounds good.
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:33 PM   #41
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In the beginning(time) God created the Heavens(space) and the Earth(matter)

The numerical value of this verse equals pii...

that said, it's interesting to see the same 10 or so people keep giving the Glory to God...


you can't get Him out of your mind, and you can't wash Him from your hands.

its amusing, it's like listening to a guy who can't stop talking about his ex, while telling you he doesn't care about her.
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:38 PM   #42
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I tell people in all sincerity that I'd do what I do for free if I were independently wealthy (have to pay the bills after all). Doing research drives me and keeps me going. The thrill that comes with finding a new mutation and characterizing it is... Indescribable.

Anyway, enough geek shit. This is a thread about idiotic rednecks who barely got a C in high school biology and their thriving to make all of us see how THEY see.
FWIW, I remember being like you...amazed by science, bored by religion. There was a time I thought Nietzsche, Kafka, and Hegel held the answers.

Except...then I had a family, and witnessed the birth of my four children, and the journey that is life--and death. And I realized that though much may be left to chance...that given the cosmological and geometrical odds that are multiplied by the infanitesimal chance that HUMAN life could emerge from the complex protein soup that existed on our planet after the Big Bang under the precise circumstances of this planet...well, were next-to-none-existent, I decided to become a believer in, well, "something."

FWIW, I don't consider myself more enlightened or superior than you or Dave Lane, just more lucky and perhaps a tad bit wiser for coming to this realization earlier rather than later in life as Darwin did (according to Lady Hope, born Elizabeth Reid Cotton--with whom you doubters strenuously disagree, though I find her account totally plausible and supported.) Heh.

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FWIW, I remember being like you...amazed by science, bored by religion. There was a time I thought Nietzsche, Kafka, and Hegel held the answers.
None of those three men could by any measure be said to be bored by religion. Hegel was religious. None of them could be said to be more scientific-minded than philosophically bent.

Why those three?
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In the beginning(time) God created the Heavens(space) and the Earth(matter)

The numerical value of this verse equals pii...
No, I don't think so. First of all, pi is an approximate number of 3.14xxx, and it goes on for trillions of digits, with no known end. Second, I don't think any verse would contain as low a number as 3. Third, I don't think units less than 1 were part of Hebrew gematria.

So I'm not sure where you got that information, but I don't see how it could be true.
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FWIW, I don't consider myself more enlightened or superior than you or Dave Lane, just more lucky and perhaps a tad bit wiser for coming to this realization earlier rather than later in life as Darwin did (according to Lady Hope, born Elizabeth Reid Cotton--with whom you doubters strenuously disagree, though I find her account totally plausible and supported.) Heh.
Seriously? There is zero evidence to support her claims.
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