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Old 02-18-2013, 07:55 AM  
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...?utm_hp_ref=tw

I keep telling myself, "Well, we've finally hit rock bottom," but then....

I suppose a collective IQ of 70 in the Kansas Legislature would require them to preserve every last IQ point possible....

Edit: I thought for sure that the article came from The Onion, but I can't find anything that suggests it isn't legit.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:26 AM   #31
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This isn't the first time you've wished death or infinite afterlife torture on members of this forum. You probably need some mental health evaluations.
Wait I thought they were good for you? isn't that the argument? Show me the truth oh great gnostic one.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:29 AM   #32
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Wait I thought they were good for you? isn't that the argument? Show me the truth oh great gnostic one.
Whatever its toxicity, your intentions are what truly matter here, and once again, your intentions show that you're a sad human being. Just two weeks, you told me to "Get cancer."
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:31 AM   #33
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Whatever its toxicity, your intentions are what truly matter here, and once again, your intentions show that you're a sad human being. Just two weeks, you told me to "Get cancer."
I assumed that's what you wanted, be careful what you wish for.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:32 AM   #34
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I assumed that's what you wanted, be careful what you wish for.
You assumed I wanted cancer? Why would you assume that of anyone?
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:44 AM   #35
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You assumed I wanted cancer? Why would you assume that of anyone?
Well Gnosticism and logic should defeat Cancer right? Allopathy for the win! What could possibly go wrong.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:47 AM   #36
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Well Gnosticism and logic should defeat Cancer right? Allopathy for the win! What could possibly go wrong.
I have no idea what demon you think you're fighting here, but it's a sad display and I hope it's not something that affects you in real life.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:50 AM   #37
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I have no idea what demon you think you're fighting here, but it's a sad display and I hope it's not something that affects you in real life.
I'm a free thinker, you should try it sometime. A square peg cannot always be forced into a round hole.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:56 AM   #38
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I'm a free thinker, you should try it sometime. A square peg cannot always be forced into a round hole.
I'm sure you think you are, KC.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:56 AM   #39
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Well Gnosticism and logic should defeat Cancer right? Allopathy for the win! What could possibly go wrong.
Holy ****ing facepalm Batman. You have some serious issues.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:40 AM   #40
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Holy ****ing facepalm Batman. You have some serious issues.
Namely idiots who think they have it all figured out responding to me.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:57 AM   #41
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Namely idiots who think they have it all figured out responding to me.
No, I'm serious. You're normally rather harmless in your unique opination. But every once in a while some weird hateful shit seeps out that's a little scary. Keep that in check dude...
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:24 AM   #42
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No, I'm serious. You're normally rather harmless in your unique opination. But every once in a while some weird hateful shit seeps out that's a little scary. Keep that in check dude...
You don't think I'm serious? I have to keep the idiots in line, my responses are in kind. I NEVER start shit with anyone, but I will certainly respond to it with the appropriate level come back.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:25 AM   #43
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I'll put Sodium Flouride right up there with Arsenic..It's good for ya.. I hope lots of moron....err nice planeteers get their fair share of both.
Why would you put it "right up there" with arsenic?

Maybe you are absolutely right that flouride in the water is killing all of us. I doubt it, but I'm open to it if you have real info on it.

All I'm saying is that your "reasoning" is garbage. You say it is "toxic." As I've pointed out, many "toxic" things are harmless in small enough quantities. And many "good" things are actually "toxic"--in large enough quantities.

So, simply labelling something as "toxic" is pretty meaningless. Surely, you can see that.
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Why would you put it "right up there" with arsenic?

Maybe you are absolutely right that flouride in the water is killing all of us. I doubt it, but I'm open to it if you have real info on it.

All I'm saying is that your "reasoning" is garbage. You say it is "toxic." As I've pointed out, many "toxic" things are harmless in small enough quantities. And many "good" things are actually "toxic"--in large enough quantities.

So, simply labelling something as "toxic" is pretty meaningless. Surely, you can see that.
Fluoride is Classified as a Neurotoxin

While the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) would have us all believe that fluoride is perfectly innocuous and safe, scientists from the EPA's National Health and Environmental Effects Research Laboratory have classified fluoride as a "chemical having substantial evidence of developmental neurotoxicity".2 Consistent with the EPA's conclusion, a continually growing body of human and animal research strongly suggests that fluoride can damage the developing brain.

Consider for example:

24 studies have now reported an association between fluoride exposure and reduced IQ in children
Three studies have reported an association between fluoride exposure and impaired neurobehavioral development
Three studies have reported damage to the brain of aborted fetuses in high fluoride areas, and
Over 100 laboratory studies have reported damage to the brain and/or cognitive function among fluoride-exposed animals3.


more at the link here with sources

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...of-safety.aspx

I don't believe we should be adding ANY to the water, there is no reason to ingest it more than what naturally occurs. My first rule is to Do no Harm, I know it's considered a thing of the past but believe it should be paramount today.
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As always when dealing with pseudo science, the arguments are old, tiresome, and thin. I’ll be addressing the most common ones in this article to hopefully restore a modicum of sanity to this banal issue. Can we please take a moment and truly analyze some these arguments we’re hearing?


FLUORIDATED WATER WILL HURT YOU!


No, it won’t. This has been one of the most well studied public health measures in the modern era, and the evidence of safety is well documented, both in the short and long-term.

The University of Toronto published this piece titled, The long-term effects of water fluoridation on the human skeleton, just one of several hundred studies that demonstrate long-term safety. What I like about this paper is that the authors expected to find an effect where, “municipalities with and without fluoridated water would reveal a relationship between fluoride content and structural or mechanical properties of bone”. However, honest scientific rigour revealed that there appeared to be no causal link, and the variables are too numerous to be able to conclusively attribute to water fluoridation. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of studies that show how safe water fluoridation is.

FLUORIDE IN THE WATER DOESN’T HELP!

Yes it does. Australian researchers published a recent study comparing municipal water supplies with and without fluoride. Accounting for age, geographical location, socioeconomic status (SES), the researchers found that incidence of caries (tooth decay) “was 28.7% and 31.6% higher, respectively, in low-fluoride areas compared with optimally fluoridated areas.” As with the safety issue, there are studies aplenty in support of fluoridation efficacy.

IT’S TOO EXPENSIVE!

The cost of fluoridating the water equals to roughly $0.94 per person annually (1, 2). Compare that to the cost of a typical dentist visit, which can range from $40 for a filling, $200 for an extraction (3) to $1200 for a root canal (4). Remember, the incidence of tooth decay drops by around 30% because of fluoridated water.
In addition, we know about countless other far more serious health issues directly related to tooth decay, such as heart disease, oral cancer, and diabetes. Consider the cost that these diseases will incur on the health care system and affected families. Fluoride in the water will not drastically cut back incidences of these diseases, but it will reduce them a little. For $0.94 per person/year, that seems worth it to me.

IT INFRINGES ON MY RIGHTS!

The *ahem* ‘argument‘ goes like this: “Medicine should be a free choice that people undertake! Forcing a medicinal treatment onto the masses is unethical”
Presumably, these same people who make this thin argument are also against vaccinations or jumping in a chlorinated swimming pool. I wonder if they’re also against the added iodine in our salt, the added niacin in our bread, the added calcium in our milk and fruit juice, or any other fortified foodstuffs that are ubiquitous in our financially privileged country, but rare in most of the world.

Opponents of water fluoridation will move their goalpost a little further and say, “Why make everyone ingest the fluoride, when a trip to the dentist is much more effective anyway!”

Yes it is, and presumably these same people making the claim can also get their water from non-municipal sources just as easy. Water fluoridation is not intended to replace proper dental care (brushing, flossing, visits to the dentist), but to supplement it, and no health care professional or government official is suggesting that drinking fluoridated water is sufficient dental care.

If you’d like some actual information, and not wild speculations of conspiracy theories, mind control, and an over powerful government acting outside its bounds, Health Canada has some helpful information about the facts of water fluoridation, as does the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention. If you somehow are under the delusion that Health Canada and the CDC are under the thumb of “Big Dentist”, you can go straight to the source yourself, and do a search on PubMed, to look at the studies themselves. It takes very little time, and the information is very clear.

Even if the motion gets defeated in the referendum, this issue will resurface in just a few years, and the arguments will be exactly the same. Opponents of fluoridation will have learned nothing, and the only people that they will have helped would be….well, nobody. I can’t think of anyone who would directly or indirectly benefit from fluoride being removed from our water.


In anticipation of what will doubtless be many critics of me and this post, you’re wrong. I’m really just a shill for Big Periodic Table of Elements.
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