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Old 02-18-2013, 12:33 PM  
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****Official **** You Mike Mayock Thread**** (OP UPDATED)

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The Kansas City Chiefs need a quarterback, but there aren't any this season that look like a top-ten talent, much less a No. 1 overall pick.

The way Mike Mayock sees it, the Chiefs should be looking to the offensive line for their first overall pick. And there are only four players worth the No. 1 overall pick in this draft for Kansas City: Alabama guard Chance Warmack, UNC guard Jonathan Cooper, Texas A&M tackle Luke Joekel, or Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Mayock said on a conference call Monday that some people will say he's crazy to potentially take a guard at No. 1 overall, but Mayock says Warmack is the best player in this draft. So he doesn't see it as crazy at all.

In the end, Mayock believes the pick could come down to Joekel or Warmack. This is a draft where the top-shelf players don't stand apart too much, and there may not be a huge difference between picks 5 and 25. That makes it a tricky spot for the Chiefs.

Don't be surprised if Kansas City builds from the inside out, and finds their quarterback of the future later.



He gives the Chiefs 4 options at #1 and they're all offensive lineman? Go **** yourself bro

@Jacobs71: Here is what Mayock said on #Chiefs pick in full "Well, part of it depends on what they're going to do with free agency and Branden Albert."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think the answer to that, obviously, is going to give you the answer. Sitting where they are, let's face it, they need a QB."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"We don't know that there are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't, but there are a lot of people that think he should be considered."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"When you look at what they're going to do, what are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" Whoever the quarterback is, they need a wide receiver. And I think John Dorsey has to be thinking what is the big picture here?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I've got one, and I've got 34. What is the best combination of getting the most value out of that?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"And I think that offensive lineman at 1 is the most solid guy they can go with."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I'm crazy that a guard can't go No. 1."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think he's the best player in the draft, so I would argue that."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:" But either way, I think they've got to get an offensive lineman and come back at 33 and prepare to go with a QB or WR."

@Jacobs71: When I asked Mayock about who fits Reid's system at QB: " I think Matt Barkley makes a lot of sense."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" He's a guy as a junior at USC looked so much different than he did this year."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"With Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, I think all three of those guys you have to go back and watch junior tape. "

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" So I think Barkley fits what he does. I think Ryan Nassib fits what he does."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson both can fit what he does."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"So of those, that group of guys of the top seven, eight quarterbacks, I think those are the guys that did it most efficiently."

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Old 02-18-2013, 04:00 PM   #151
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I will say this though. With Barkley not throwing this week, that is a huge benefit to Geno, but he has to have a completely great week in all phases to get into the top 10.
He can't just look good throwing short and intermediate passes. He has to nail them all. And he has to nail the interviews.

But that's basically what every other QB has to do too.

I doubt he'll look better than Glennon throwing the deep ball since Glennon puts great velocity and solid accuracy on his deep passes.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:01 PM   #152
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So we're not worried about Reid actually finding a QB that can PLAY?

BTW, Matt Moore was the best QB in that class, so Reid reached on Kolb by quite a large margin. At least he was able to put together the smoke and mirrors and convince the Cardinals Kolb was worth something, even though Reid himself knew he wasn't.

As for Reid's way with QBs, name them. Outside of Donovan McNabb, who was the #2 overall pick (and a GREAT pick by Reid, btw. He identified the best QB in THAT class by a mile), what QB "magic" has Reid actually performed?
I thought Vick was done, no chance of getting back to what he was. Other than that, he got something for backups. And there wasn't a year he had no QB. It'll be nice to have the coach that grooms the backups that team are willing to trade for.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:01 PM   #153
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It just kept him in line with the other QB's in the back end of the first round talk.

It wasn't about being better than the the other QB's as much as it was about raising his own stock to be worth a top 10 pick.
Well, Kiper and others are saying he can do that at the combine. So I guess it worked out either way.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:03 PM   #154
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We already have a left tackle that fits what Reid wants to do.

As evidenced by the fact that Reid tried to trade up to get him in the draft.
I agree, but if they don't get him back, then no we dont. Also, we are changing schemes to a pure pass attack -- Joeckel is better by quite a bit than Albert is at pass blocking. Albert is a good LT for what he is, but Joeckel is and always will be a better pass blocker. It might just come down to that for this staff -- if you're going to pay the man, make sure of your options and pay the right man for the job. I believe this is why Albert got so pissed off at the new staff last week -- they want him to sign (accordingly) and play guard.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:04 PM   #155
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I will say this though. With Barkley not throwing this week, that is a huge benefit to Geno, but he has to have a completely great week in all phases to get into the top 10.
He can't just look good throwing short and intermediate passes. He has to nail them all. And he has to nail the interviews.

But that's basically what every other QB has to do too.

I doubt he'll look better than Glennon throwing the deep ball since Glennon puts great velocity and solid accuracy on his deep passes.
He wasn't very good at it at the SR bowl, in the game atleast.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:04 PM   #156
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I will say this though. With Barkley not throwing this week, that is a huge benefit to Geno, but he has to have a completely great week in all phases to get into the top 10.
He can't just look good throwing short and intermediate passes. He has to nail them all. And he has to nail the interviews.

But that's basically what every other QB has to do too.

I doubt he'll look better than Glennon throwing the deep ball since Glennon puts great velocity and solid accuracy on his deep passes.
Glennon was less than impressive in that quarterback skills drill they had on ESPN2. EJ Manuel won the thing, for crying out loud. Glennon is the guy the draft "experts" are talking about when they say there isn't a QB good enough to go in hte first round.

But I digress. I agree with your statement, and have no doubts that Geno will impress.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:04 PM   #157
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When it comes to the KC Chiefs QB, I'm a pessimistic, jaded, cynical asshole. I guess Matt Cassel can do that to you.
And Mark Vlasic, and Matt Blundin, and Damon Huard, and Brodie Croyle, and...

To say I'm pessimistic and cynical when it comes to the Chiefs QB position is an understatement.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:06 PM   #158
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I will say this though. With Barkley not throwing this week, that is a huge benefit to Geno, but he has to have a completely great week in all phases to get into the top 10.
He can't just look good throwing short and intermediate passes. He has to nail them all. And he has to nail the interviews.

But that's basically what every other QB has to do too.

I doubt he'll look better than Glennon throwing the deep ball since Glennon puts great velocity and solid accuracy on his deep passes.
They said the same thing about Newton and he nailed almost all of the deep passing drills.

Geno is in position to do the same.

As for Glennon, for most teams, the deep passes are going to be offset by his erratic throwing in the 10-30 range.

You can get drafted throwing a rocket deep ball but you can't make a living in the NFL playing shitty in the intermediate passing game.
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I thought Vick was done, no chance of getting back to what he was. Other than that, he got something for backups. And there wasn't a year he had no QB. It'll be nice to have the coach that grooms the backups that team are willing to trade for.
I'd rather have a coach that can find THE QB and win a championship with him.

I'm looking for 2002 Andy Reid, not 2010 Andy Reid. Not appealing at all.
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So we're not worried about Reid actually finding a QB that can PLAY?

BTW, Matt Moore was the best QB in that class, so Reid reached on Kolb by quite a large margin. At least he was able to put together the smoke and mirrors and convince the Cardinals Kolb was worth something, even though Reid himself knew he wasn't.

As for Reid's way with QBs, name them. Outside of Donovan McNabb, who was the #2 overall pick (and a GREAT pick by Reid, btw. He identified the best QB in THAT class by a mile), what QB "magic" has Reid actually performed?
By the way, Kolb is still the best QB AZ has, and was playing well before he got hurt last year. Moore might be better, but they're in the same ballpark.

If you're gonna try to argue Reid isn't as good with QBs as people think, you're gonna fail.
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They said the same thing about Newton and he nailed almost all of the deep passing drills.

Geno is in position to do the same.

As for Glennon, for most teams, the deep passes are going to be offset by his erratic throwing in the 10-30 range.

You can get drafted throwing a rocket deep ball but you can't make a living in the NFL playing shitty in the intermediate passing game.
Actually, credit to DJ for this, Flacco is somewhat proving otherwise.


If you have a guy who isn't damn accurate in the short intermediate zone, but throws a deep ball well, throw it deep. When you hit, it will more offset the shitty accuracy short.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:08 PM   #162
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I agree, but if they don't get him back, then no we dont. Also, we are changing schemes to a pure pass attack -- Joeckel is better by quite a bit than Albert is at pass blocking. Albert is a good LT for what he is, but Joeckel is and always will be a better pass blocker. It might just come down to that for this staff -- if you're going to pay the man, make sure of your options and pay the right man for the job. I believe this is why Albert got so pissed off at the new staff last week -- they want him to sign (accordingly) and play guard.
Albert wasn't pissed off at the new staff.

He was pissed off at the FANS.
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By the way, Kolb is still the best QB AZ has, and was playing well before he got hurt last year. Moore might be better, but they're in the same ballpark.

If you're gonna try to argue Reid isn't as good with QBs as people think, you're gonna fail.
I mean, not really.


Like he said, outside of McNabb, it hasn't been his development, it's been the player themselves.
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If you're gonna try to argue Reid isn't as good with QBs as people think, you're gonna fail.
Who are "people"?

There are people here that think that Reid is one of the top 2 or 3 QB minds in the entire NFL, which is absolutely false.
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Actually, credit to DJ for this, Flacco is somewhat proving otherwise.


If you have a guy who isn't damn accurate in the short intermediate zone, but throws a deep ball well, throw it deep. When you hit, it will more offset the shitty accuracy short.
DJ's theory is great and I absolutely agree with him.

But the NFL isn't NEARLY as forward thinking as we are.
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