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Old 02-18-2013, 01:33 PM  
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The Kansas City Chiefs need a quarterback, but there aren't any this season that look like a top-ten talent, much less a No. 1 overall pick.

The way Mike Mayock sees it, the Chiefs should be looking to the offensive line for their first overall pick. And there are only four players worth the No. 1 overall pick in this draft for Kansas City: Alabama guard Chance Warmack, UNC guard Jonathan Cooper, Texas A&M tackle Luke Joekel, or Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Mayock said on a conference call Monday that some people will say he's crazy to potentially take a guard at No. 1 overall, but Mayock says Warmack is the best player in this draft. So he doesn't see it as crazy at all.

In the end, Mayock believes the pick could come down to Joekel or Warmack. This is a draft where the top-shelf players don't stand apart too much, and there may not be a huge difference between picks 5 and 25. That makes it a tricky spot for the Chiefs.

Don't be surprised if Kansas City builds from the inside out, and finds their quarterback of the future later.



He gives the Chiefs 4 options at #1 and they're all offensive lineman? Go **** yourself bro

@Jacobs71: Here is what Mayock said on #Chiefs pick in full "Well, part of it depends on what they're going to do with free agency and Branden Albert."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think the answer to that, obviously, is going to give you the answer. Sitting where they are, let's face it, they need a QB."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"We don't know that there are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't, but there are a lot of people that think he should be considered."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"When you look at what they're going to do, what are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" Whoever the quarterback is, they need a wide receiver. And I think John Dorsey has to be thinking what is the big picture here?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I've got one, and I've got 34. What is the best combination of getting the most value out of that?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"And I think that offensive lineman at 1 is the most solid guy they can go with."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I'm crazy that a guard can't go No. 1."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think he's the best player in the draft, so I would argue that."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:" But either way, I think they've got to get an offensive lineman and come back at 33 and prepare to go with a QB or WR."

@Jacobs71: When I asked Mayock about who fits Reid's system at QB: " I think Matt Barkley makes a lot of sense."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" He's a guy as a junior at USC looked so much different than he did this year."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"With Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, I think all three of those guys you have to go back and watch junior tape. "

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" So I think Barkley fits what he does. I think Ryan Nassib fits what he does."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson both can fit what he does."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"So of those, that group of guys of the top seven, eight quarterbacks, I think those are the guys that did it most efficiently."

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Old 02-18-2013, 05:49 PM   #211
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Having been a fan for so long, it's hard to be re-assured with anything.

Logic very rarely seems to be strongly intertwined with Kansas City's decision making...
This is where some might say, "this is a new regime, we have no idea what they will do, they'll get it right".


Which is absolutely true.


But as a Chiefs fan, sorry, but we've been down that road. Show me and I'll trust you.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:50 PM   #212
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This is where some might say, "this is a new regime, we have no idea what they will do, they'll get it right".


Which is absolutely true.


But as a Chiefs fan, sorry, but we've been down that road. Show me and I'll trust you.
Yep.

There's nothing wrong with that statement.

But I've been through DOZENS of new regimes and to date, they've all been the same.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:52 PM   #213
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:52 PM   #214
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This is where some might say, "this is a new regime, we have no idea what they will do, they'll get it right".


Which is absolutely true.


But as a Chiefs fan, sorry, but we've been down that road. Show me and I'll trust you.
This is the first time we have a regime that knows what they are doing.

King Carl and Pioli were the same. They were both SCARED to draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round. They had to get a free agent QB they liked and try to find a guy they wanted.

This regime is not scared to take a QB early and put their reputation on him. They also know how to develop a QB.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:52 PM   #215
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Yep.

There's nothing wrong with that statement.

But I've been through DOZENS of new regimes and to date, they've all been the same.
You can take out Reid and Dorsey and enter Peterson and Marty , etc.




Again, sorry, but SHOW ME.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:55 PM   #216
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Put it this way...My opinion has taken a complete 180 on what the Chiefs should do at #1. I was in the QB or bust mentality from the get-go. The more I watch film on these quarterback prospects though, I can't with 100% certainty say I would be ridiculously upset if we ended up with Joeckel or Star and Dysert/Nassib, especially given that we have a coach that I have the utmost confidence in to develop his own quarterback.

Geno definitely sticks out to me in terms of the top talent at the QB position in this draft, but I've finally come to the conclusion that I'm not going to panic if they don't go QB at #1. That's just me, and I want a stud QB as bad as the next person.
No you don't.

If you don't want to sacrifice what it takes and endure the potentially lengthy process of drafting QBs until they get it right, then you DON'T want a stud QB as much as everybody else. That means QB isn't as important to you as it is for other people.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:56 PM   #217
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You can take out Reid and Dorsey and enter Peterson and Marty , etc.




Again, sorry, but SHOW ME.
I understand your frustration, but wow these guys are polar opposites.

Reid especially is the opposite of conservative.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:58 PM   #218
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If they determine ALL of them will be shit, then their evaluations should be in question.

There has not been a draft in the history of the NFL that had ZERO QBs in it.

It's NEVER happened.

These guys get payed to find "the one".
Which guy was "the one" in 1997?

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Old 02-18-2013, 06:00 PM   #219
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We already have a left tackle that fits what Reid wants to do.

As evidenced by the fact that Reid tried to trade up to get him in the draft.
Did Reid try to trade up to get Brandon Albert the LT or Brandon Albert the G? Personally, I think you're probably right, but I'm not sure that evidence is rock solid.

Edit: I see this has already been pointed out.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:01 PM   #220
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I'll throw in 2010 as well.

Bradford was clearly not worth the top pick, let alone a top 15 selection, Tebow sucks and so does Claussen.
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I understand your frustration, but wow these guys are polar opposites.

Reid especially is the opposite of conservative.
Sorry, but we've heard this before. Pioli turned out to be awful, but when he was brought in it was "he knows how to build a roster, he'll get it done". Same shit with Peterson.


It has nothing to do with conservative aggressive etc.


Until they do it here and don't make the same mistakes as previous regimes, I'll wait and see.
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Which guy was "the one" in 1997?

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I personally believe Plummer could've been the guy, but Arizona ****ed his head up with nothing around him. Then after that stint he had an average career.
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