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Old 02-18-2013, 12:33 PM  
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****Official **** You Mike Mayock Thread**** (OP UPDATED)

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000140130/

The Kansas City Chiefs need a quarterback, but there aren't any this season that look like a top-ten talent, much less a No. 1 overall pick.

The way Mike Mayock sees it, the Chiefs should be looking to the offensive line for their first overall pick. And there are only four players worth the No. 1 overall pick in this draft for Kansas City: Alabama guard Chance Warmack, UNC guard Jonathan Cooper, Texas A&M tackle Luke Joekel, or Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Mayock said on a conference call Monday that some people will say he's crazy to potentially take a guard at No. 1 overall, but Mayock says Warmack is the best player in this draft. So he doesn't see it as crazy at all.

In the end, Mayock believes the pick could come down to Joekel or Warmack. This is a draft where the top-shelf players don't stand apart too much, and there may not be a huge difference between picks 5 and 25. That makes it a tricky spot for the Chiefs.

Don't be surprised if Kansas City builds from the inside out, and finds their quarterback of the future later.



He gives the Chiefs 4 options at #1 and they're all offensive lineman? Go **** yourself bro

@Jacobs71: Here is what Mayock said on #Chiefs pick in full "Well, part of it depends on what they're going to do with free agency and Branden Albert."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think the answer to that, obviously, is going to give you the answer. Sitting where they are, let's face it, they need a QB."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"We don't know that there are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't, but there are a lot of people that think he should be considered."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"When you look at what they're going to do, what are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" Whoever the quarterback is, they need a wide receiver. And I think John Dorsey has to be thinking what is the big picture here?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I've got one, and I've got 34. What is the best combination of getting the most value out of that?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"And I think that offensive lineman at 1 is the most solid guy they can go with."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I'm crazy that a guard can't go No. 1."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think he's the best player in the draft, so I would argue that."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:" But either way, I think they've got to get an offensive lineman and come back at 33 and prepare to go with a QB or WR."

@Jacobs71: When I asked Mayock about who fits Reid's system at QB: " I think Matt Barkley makes a lot of sense."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" He's a guy as a junior at USC looked so much different than he did this year."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"With Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, I think all three of those guys you have to go back and watch junior tape. "

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" So I think Barkley fits what he does. I think Ryan Nassib fits what he does."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson both can fit what he does."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"So of those, that group of guys of the top seven, eight quarterbacks, I think those are the guys that did it most efficiently."

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Old 02-18-2013, 05:18 PM   #241
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Barkley could really be ****ed even if he has a decent pro day, because if he starts as a rookie the oppositions defense are going to hammer his throwing shoulder like crazy since it's already been this big of a problem for him. The defense will smell blood in the water and attack that shit.

Didn't Bradford break his collar bone twice his last year?
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:19 PM   #242
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Didn't Bradford break his collar bone twice his last year?
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:20 PM   #243
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Maybe I'm just down on him? The talent surrounding him at OU was very exceeding and I never thought he was that great.
As far as skill positions go, he had raw, young versions of Broyles and Murray along with Gresham. Other than that, he didn't have shit at WR (unless you count Iglesias and at the Bears for wasting a 3rd on him).

Bradford was ****ed over by OL issues his 2nd year. Coming in he was more than a solid prospect and definitely deserving of a #1. I don't know if he'll ever reach his potential with the Rams or anyone but if he'd been on a team that had stability and didn't let him get raped on the field, he'd be doing quite a bit better.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:21 PM   #244
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:22 PM   #245
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Where does it say anything about the staff? This was all about fans and draftnicks saying he was going to guard so we could take Joeckel.
a lil common sense says albert kneejerked because the folks that matter are nudging him. hence it upset him "a lot". but that's okay, I know you don't have any common sense.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:22 PM   #246
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Top 5 OL in the draft, a history:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...e=any&show=all

Matt Kalil - 0 playoff wins
Trent Williams - 0 playoff wins
Jason Smith - 0 playoff wins
Jake Long - 0 playoff wins
Joe Thomas - 0 playoff wins
Levi Brown - 4 playoff wins
D-Brickashaw Ferguson - 1 playoff win
Robert Gallery - 0 playoff wins
Mike Williams - 0 playoff wins
Leonard Davis - 1 playoff win
Chris Samuels - 1 playoff win
Orlando Pace - 6 playoff wins

Cliffs: In the last 15 years, 12 OL have been taken in the top 5. Only two have more than one playoff win, and it's because they were associated with Kurt Warner.
That's some pretty damning evidence right there. I definitely don't like the idea of taking a OL or DL with the top pick no matter what we do.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:23 PM   #247
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:24 PM   #248
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:24 PM   #249
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a lil common sense says albert kneejerked because the folks that matter are nudging him. hence it upset him "a lot". but that's okay, I know you don't have any common sense.
Common sense?


You projecting all this bullshit is what?
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:26 PM   #250
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Chiefs aren't sold on rookie QBs

By Bill Williamson, ESPN

If the Kansas City Chiefs are going to use the No. 1 overall pick on a quarterback, that player better start impressing the team.

So far, it hasn’t happened. There have long been indications the Chiefs are leaning toward finding their new starting quarterback in either free agency or the trade market. In an interview with the Kansas City Star, new Chiefs’ general manager John Dorsey admitted there is currently not a quarterback who the team thinks is worthy of the being the top pick.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey told the paper. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.”

The only quarterback who likely has a chance to show he is worthy of being a top pick is West Virginia’s Geno Smith. But, as Dorsey explained, Smith isn’t there yet.

I know the idea of Kansas City not drafting a quarterback in the first round bothers some Chiefs fans. But if the team doesn’t think quarterback is worthy of the top pick, they shouldn’t force it. Nothing sets a franchise back like a whiffing on a quarterback at the top of the draft.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:27 PM   #251
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Why do you argue politics in DC if you feel this way? Thats what they do for a living, they obviously know more than you.


(Unless of course you are a politician, in that case, carry on).
Could you give me an example that makes your analogy apt?
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:29 PM   #252
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Could you give me an example that makes your analogy apt?
You say we have to defer to the guys who "do this for a living", automatically making them smarter than us.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:32 PM   #253
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Just polled Save Our Chiefs facebook on the OL issue. Hopefully we get a few thousand votes for QB.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:34 PM   #254
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You say we have to defer to the guys who "do this for a living", automatically making them smarter than us.
No, I didn't say that they were "automatically" smarter than anyone. They don't make knowledge-sparse statistical arguments about these things though. They spend long hours studying minute details and make educated guesses about how these prospects will develop.

Nor did I say that anyone has to "defer" to them. You're welcome to have an opinion, but you step way across the line of rationality when you start to believe that your opinion is the only possible right opinion.
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Nor did I say that anyone has to "defer" to them. You're welcome to have an opinion, but you step way across the line of rationality when you start to believe that your opinion is the only possible right opinion.
You should know from politics that not all ideas have value just because they're ideas. Some are good ideas and some are bad ideas.

Not taking a QB is a bad idea. It's foolish. Unstable. Ill-supported. And those who are of that opinion are wrong.

Opinions are wrong if they can't be backed up, and so far the only argument I've seen for not taking a QB is "what if the QB busts?"
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