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Old 02-18-2013, 01:33 PM  
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****Official **** You Mike Mayock Thread**** (OP UPDATED)

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The Kansas City Chiefs need a quarterback, but there aren't any this season that look like a top-ten talent, much less a No. 1 overall pick.

The way Mike Mayock sees it, the Chiefs should be looking to the offensive line for their first overall pick. And there are only four players worth the No. 1 overall pick in this draft for Kansas City: Alabama guard Chance Warmack, UNC guard Jonathan Cooper, Texas A&M tackle Luke Joekel, or Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Mayock said on a conference call Monday that some people will say he's crazy to potentially take a guard at No. 1 overall, but Mayock says Warmack is the best player in this draft. So he doesn't see it as crazy at all.

In the end, Mayock believes the pick could come down to Joekel or Warmack. This is a draft where the top-shelf players don't stand apart too much, and there may not be a huge difference between picks 5 and 25. That makes it a tricky spot for the Chiefs.

Don't be surprised if Kansas City builds from the inside out, and finds their quarterback of the future later.



He gives the Chiefs 4 options at #1 and they're all offensive lineman? Go **** yourself bro

@Jacobs71: Here is what Mayock said on #Chiefs pick in full "Well, part of it depends on what they're going to do with free agency and Branden Albert."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think the answer to that, obviously, is going to give you the answer. Sitting where they are, let's face it, they need a QB."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"We don't know that there are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't, but there are a lot of people that think he should be considered."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"When you look at what they're going to do, what are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" Whoever the quarterback is, they need a wide receiver. And I think John Dorsey has to be thinking what is the big picture here?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I've got one, and I've got 34. What is the best combination of getting the most value out of that?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"And I think that offensive lineman at 1 is the most solid guy they can go with."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I'm crazy that a guard can't go No. 1."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think he's the best player in the draft, so I would argue that."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:" But either way, I think they've got to get an offensive lineman and come back at 33 and prepare to go with a QB or WR."

@Jacobs71: When I asked Mayock about who fits Reid's system at QB: " I think Matt Barkley makes a lot of sense."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" He's a guy as a junior at USC looked so much different than he did this year."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"With Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, I think all three of those guys you have to go back and watch junior tape. "

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" So I think Barkley fits what he does. I think Ryan Nassib fits what he does."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson both can fit what he does."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"So of those, that group of guys of the top seven, eight quarterbacks, I think those are the guys that did it most efficiently."

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Old 02-18-2013, 09:39 PM   #286
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I'm not sure you're a good judge of when an idea is bad and when it's good. You'd better leave that kind of thing to people like me. It can be tricky sometimes.

But seriously, that's not the only argument you've heard for not taking a QB. Unless you've got your fingers in your ears to avoid it, you've heard the argument that none of these QBs are good enough to justify using a #1 overall pick if your criteria for a pick like that is someone you expect to be an elite player. There are a lot of people making that argument, including Mike Mayock. I don't know whether that argument is right or not, but I accept that it's plausible even if you don't.
That is a fallacious and shitty argument. And it's wrong.

(This is where you ask me to explain myself, even though I've destroyed that argument 10,000 times in the past three months on this place)
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:41 PM   #287
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What a horrible analogy.
He's just jelly of my mad drilling skills. It's best not to talk about my success with amateur dentistry around patteeu. It's a sensitive topic.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:42 PM   #288
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I like SNR too.
To be fair, I haven't met anybody on this forum that you don't like.

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Old 02-18-2013, 09:43 PM   #289
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He's just jelly of my mad drilling skills. It's best not to talk about my success with amateur dentistry around patteeu. It's a sensitive topic.
Have you looked into opening an oral surgery practice in Marshall, MO?

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Old 02-18-2013, 09:48 PM   #290
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That is a fallacious and shitty argument. And it's wrong.

(This is where you ask me to explain myself, even though I've destroyed that argument 10,000 times in the past three months on this place)
What's fallacious about it?
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:57 PM   #291
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What's fallacious about it?
1. It assumes that there's an elite non-QB available at the top of the draft. There isn't, unless you like some OT to go with our bookend OTs so you can OT your OT while you OT

2. "None of the QBs are good enough to justify the #1 pick" accounts for rankings in a vacuum, where Chance Warmack or Dee Milliner are considered to be more valuable players than some QBs with pretty good chances at being awesome NFL players

3. It doesn't take into account the fact that teams who draft that high need to make their picks based on what's actually going to make their team better. How many estimated net wins over a season is that player worth to the team? Over a career?

4. On a similar vein, it only accounts for the bust factor. It doesn't remotely consider the possibilities of hitting on that pick of a QB or how likely that is to happen. It's ****ing ridiculous to think that Andy Reid and company couldn't make ONE of these QBs into a top 15 player at his position in the league. Draft classes of QBs like that simply don't happen anymore in the modern NFL, where gimmick offenses, shotgun, wide open terminology, slimmed down playbooks, and highly restrictive rules for defenses make QBing so easy to anybody with an accurate arm with a good release, okay pocket presence, and the ability or will to learn as much as he can.


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Old 02-18-2013, 10:01 PM   #292
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LTs on the last 12 SB winners:

Will Beatty - 2nd round pick
Chad Clifton - 2nd round pick
Jermon Bushrod - 4th round pick
Max Starks - 3rd round pick
David Diehl - 5th round pick
Tarik Glenn - 1st round pick
Marvel Smith - 2nd round pick
Matt Light - 2nd round pick
Roman Oben - 3rd round pick
Jonathan Ogden - 1st round pick, top 5
Orlando Pace - 1st round pick, top 5
Quick, let Albert walk.

Keep Donald Stephenson, though.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:18 PM   #293
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I cannot believe Mayock thinks the Chiefs should take a guard at 1.
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I cannot believe Mayock thinks the Chiefs should take a guard at 1.
He's looking to get PAID. He'll change his tune once coin finds palm.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:22 PM   #295
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That's F-ing ludacris the notion of taking a Guard #1 overall.

Next to FB, there isn't a position of less importance.
Agree...That said, Chance Warmack is the best player in this draft.
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He's looking to get PAID. He'll change his tune once coin finds palm.
I don't think thats the case.
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I don't think thats the case.
You don't think these guys take payouts? Cmon man those rankings are ridiculous.
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1. It assumes that there's an elite non-QB available at the top of the draft. There isn't, unless you like some OT to go with our bookend OTs so you can OT your OT while you OT

2. "None of the QBs are good enough to justify the #1 pick" accounts for rankings in a vacuum, where Chance Warmack or Dee Milliner are considered to be more valuable players than some QBs with pretty good chances at being awesome NFL players

3. It doesn't take into account the fact that teams who draft that high need to make their picks based on what's actually going to make their team better. How many estimated net wins over a season is that player worth to the team? Over a career?

4. On a similar vein, it only accounts for the bust factor. It doesn't remotely consider the possibilities of hitting on that pick of a QB or how likely that is to happen. It's ****ing ridiculous to think that Andy Reid and company couldn't make ONE of these QBs into a top 15 player at his position in the league. Draft classes of QBs like that simply don't happen anymore in the modern NFL, where gimmick offenses, shotgun, wide open terminology, slimmed down playbooks, and highly restrictive rules for defenses make QBing so easy to anybody with an accurate arm with a good release, okay pocket presence, and the ability or will to learn as much as he can.


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What do any of those things have to do with my dentist analogy or anything else I've said in this thread?

Edit: OK, let me read through this again. I thought you were responding to something else.
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You don't think these guys take payouts? Cmon man those rankings are ridiculous.
I guess.


All these guys talk about in the top ten is taking playmakers and difference makers etc, then when it's the Chiefs it's always a ****ing lineman. Always.


LT, RT, now guard at 1 overall. A ****ing guard. With the first pick in the draft.
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