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Old 02-18-2013, 12:33 PM  
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****Official **** You Mike Mayock Thread**** (OP UPDATED)

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The Kansas City Chiefs need a quarterback, but there aren't any this season that look like a top-ten talent, much less a No. 1 overall pick.

The way Mike Mayock sees it, the Chiefs should be looking to the offensive line for their first overall pick. And there are only four players worth the No. 1 overall pick in this draft for Kansas City: Alabama guard Chance Warmack, UNC guard Jonathan Cooper, Texas A&M tackle Luke Joekel, or Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Mayock said on a conference call Monday that some people will say he's crazy to potentially take a guard at No. 1 overall, but Mayock says Warmack is the best player in this draft. So he doesn't see it as crazy at all.

In the end, Mayock believes the pick could come down to Joekel or Warmack. This is a draft where the top-shelf players don't stand apart too much, and there may not be a huge difference between picks 5 and 25. That makes it a tricky spot for the Chiefs.

Don't be surprised if Kansas City builds from the inside out, and finds their quarterback of the future later.



He gives the Chiefs 4 options at #1 and they're all offensive lineman? Go **** yourself bro

@Jacobs71: Here is what Mayock said on #Chiefs pick in full "Well, part of it depends on what they're going to do with free agency and Branden Albert."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think the answer to that, obviously, is going to give you the answer. Sitting where they are, let's face it, they need a QB."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"We don't know that there are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't, but there are a lot of people that think he should be considered."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"When you look at what they're going to do, what are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" Whoever the quarterback is, they need a wide receiver. And I think John Dorsey has to be thinking what is the big picture here?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I've got one, and I've got 34. What is the best combination of getting the most value out of that?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"And I think that offensive lineman at 1 is the most solid guy they can go with."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I'm crazy that a guard can't go No. 1."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think he's the best player in the draft, so I would argue that."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:" But either way, I think they've got to get an offensive lineman and come back at 33 and prepare to go with a QB or WR."

@Jacobs71: When I asked Mayock about who fits Reid's system at QB: " I think Matt Barkley makes a lot of sense."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" He's a guy as a junior at USC looked so much different than he did this year."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"With Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, I think all three of those guys you have to go back and watch junior tape. "

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" So I think Barkley fits what he does. I think Ryan Nassib fits what he does."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson both can fit what he does."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"So of those, that group of guys of the top seven, eight quarterbacks, I think those are the guys that did it most efficiently."

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Old 02-18-2013, 09:47 PM   #331
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@Jacobs71: Here is what Mayock said on #Chiefs pick in full "Well, part of it depends on what they're going to do with free agency and Branden Albert."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think the answer to that, obviously, is going to give you the answer. Sitting where they are, let's face it, they need a QB."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"We don't know that there are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't, but there are a lot of people that think he should be considered."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"When you look at what they're going to do, what are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" Whoever the quarterback is, they need a wide receiver. And I think John Dorsey has to be thinking what is the big picture here?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I've got one, and I've got 34. What is the best combination of getting the most value out of that?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"And I think that offensive lineman at 1 is the most solid guy they can go with."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I'm crazy that a guard can't go No. 1."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think he's the best player in the draft, so I would argue that."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:" But either way, I think they've got to get an offensive lineman and come back at 33 and prepare to go with a QB or WR."

@Jacobs71: When I asked Mayock about who fits Reid's system at QB: " I think Matt Barkley makes a lot of sense."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" He's a guy as a junior at USC looked so much different than he did this year."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"With Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, I think all three of those guys you have to go back and watch junior tape. "

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" So I think Barkley fits what he does. I think Ryan Nassib fits what he does."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson both can fit what he does."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"So of those, that group of guys of the top seven, eight quarterbacks, I think those are the guys that did it most efficiently."
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:48 PM   #332
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Matt Barkley is in no way afraid of getting hit. Whomever thinks that does not watch football and pulled that out of their ass. There was that one game where Barkley saw the blitz coming and basically got speared off his feet while managing to throw the ball away.
I didn't say he was. I said he doesn't respond well to pressure.

He's a good QB if he has a killer line and the rest of the play is executed well.

If he has to improvise or make a throw off his back foot, DO NOT WANT.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:48 PM   #333
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These were just tweeted. I put these in the OP just in case it gets buried.



He thinks Barkley is the answer, either know he's coming off a severe shoulder surgery and isn't throwing at the combine lol.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:51 PM   #334
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He seemed to think four QBs could be the guy for the Chiefs.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:51 PM   #335
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I didn't say he was. I said he doesn't respond well to pressure.

He's a good QB if he has a killer line and the rest of the play is executed well.

If he has to improvise or make a throw off his back foot, DO NOT WANT.
Sounds like Geno as well. Sounds more like you want Tyler Wilson.
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Sounds like Geno as well. Sounds more like you want Tyler Wilson.
Well, no, because Geno has a good arm. He's great at throwing without perfect mechanics...if he wasn't, he wouldn't even be considered for a No. 1 pick, because he's been throwing with poor footwork HIS WHOLE LIFE.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:53 PM   #337
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Sounds like Geno as well. Sounds more like you want Tyler Wilson.
Thats a misconception, Wilson threw alot of picks off his back foot this year.
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Thats a misconception, Wilson threw alot of picks off his back foot this year.
He's still the best scramble/passer on the run by far. He didn't have a Tavon Austin to check down to.
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It's gonna be fun watching Mayock change his tune over the next couple months. Same with the others.
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Finally, it's important to remember that players will rise and fall based on how they perform at the combine later this week, and they'll likely continue to do so all the way up to draft day.

1) Luke Joeckel, OL, Texas A&M
This long-armed three-year player should be a top talent in the NFL for quite some time. Joeckel reminds me of Cleveland Browns offensive tackle Joe Thomas.

2) Bjoern Werner, DL, Florida State
Werner, a German native, is a very, very good pass rusher. He's one of these guys who is highly motivated, someone who never takes a play off; in that way, he reminds me of Jared Allen. (And I'm not the only one.)

3) Chance Warmack, OL, Alabama
Warmack is very good and will be a factor in the NFL for many years; he should have a Larry Allen-type of career. However, as guards aren't usually drafted in the top 10, Warmack likely will be picked in the middle of the first round. He was an even better college player than the great Steve Hutchinson, who was picked 17th overall by the Seattle Seahawks in 2001.

4) Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
More time will be spent on Smith than on any other player in the 2013 NFL Draft. When I watched him from the sideline during West Virginia's game against Texas, Smith was quick and on the money, though he did overthrow some long balls. If he enters the league with a Russell Wilson-type work ethic, Smith will be OK.

5) Star Lotulelei, DL, Utah
Lotulelei reminds me of Baltimore Ravens veteran Haloti Ngata, who also grew up in Salt Lake City. Lotulelei can collapse the pocket with quickness and power. He needs to dominate every play for four quarters.

6) Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
Moore can play with his hand on the ground in a 4-3 scheme or in space in a 3-4. Oklahoma tackle Lane Johnson did a very good job against Moore in the Cotton Bowl.

7) Eric Fisher, OL, Central Michigan
The long-armed, quick-footed Fisher should play for quite some time in the NFL at a Pro Bowl-level. This youngster has the potential for lots of growth in the future.

8) Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
The big (6-feet-3/4, 200 pounds) corner might not have great speed, but he makes up for it with his physical play and ball skills. He likely learned some useful tricks of the trade from coach Nick Saban.

9) Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia
The competitive Jones, who led college football with 14.5 sacks in 2012, never lets up; he plays like fellow Bulldog Justin Houston, who notched 10 sacks for the Kansas City Chiefs last season. Jones transferred from USC when he failed to get a clean bill of health following a neck injury.

10) Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon
The speedy, quick and athletic Jordan -- a former tight end -- can rush or drop into coverage. He could add weight, however, and his health has been something of a question mark.



He has Geno at #4
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He's still the best scramble/passer on the run by far. He didn't have a Tavon Austin to check down to.
Quit it. Wilson had weapons...lets not act as if he was out there alone.

Lots of players from that offense will be drafted high.
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He's still the best scramble/passer on the run by far. He didn't have a Tavon Austin to check down to.
You move the goalposts a ton man. We talk about throwing off his back foot and you go to scrambling.

And he had Cobi Hamilton and an offense based on short crossing routes, ala Petrino.


He did have a shit oline, so he was under duress alot, but so did Barkley and geno.
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Quit it. Wilson had weapons...lets not act as if he was out there alone.

Lots of players from that offense will be drafted high.
I think you are confusing this years Arkansas team with last years Arkansas team.

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You move the goalposts a ton man. We talk about throwing off his back foot and you go to scrambling.

And he had Cobi Hamilton and an offense based on short crossing routes, ala Petrino.


He did have a shit oline, so he was under duress alot, but so did Barkley and geno.
What are you talking about? I was responding to someone saying Barkley doesn't respond well with pressure. That's more than just throwing off the back foot.
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It's gonna be fun watching Mayock change his tune over the next couple months. Same with the others.
This is gonna be one of those years everyone trips over themselves for a few months predicting a number of options. It won't be until after FA slows down that they all zero in on a consensus pick.
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I think you are confusing this years Arkansas team with last years Arkansas team.
I don't think you watched much Arkansas this year.


Cobi Hamilton is a really good Wr, they had a good TE, and Knile Davis was back from injury.

To say he didn't have weapons is wrong.
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