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Old 02-18-2013, 12:33 PM  
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****Official **** You Mike Mayock Thread**** (OP UPDATED)

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The Kansas City Chiefs need a quarterback, but there aren't any this season that look like a top-ten talent, much less a No. 1 overall pick.

The way Mike Mayock sees it, the Chiefs should be looking to the offensive line for their first overall pick. And there are only four players worth the No. 1 overall pick in this draft for Kansas City: Alabama guard Chance Warmack, UNC guard Jonathan Cooper, Texas A&M tackle Luke Joekel, or Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Mayock said on a conference call Monday that some people will say he's crazy to potentially take a guard at No. 1 overall, but Mayock says Warmack is the best player in this draft. So he doesn't see it as crazy at all.

In the end, Mayock believes the pick could come down to Joekel or Warmack. This is a draft where the top-shelf players don't stand apart too much, and there may not be a huge difference between picks 5 and 25. That makes it a tricky spot for the Chiefs.

Don't be surprised if Kansas City builds from the inside out, and finds their quarterback of the future later.



He gives the Chiefs 4 options at #1 and they're all offensive lineman? Go **** yourself bro

@Jacobs71: Here is what Mayock said on #Chiefs pick in full "Well, part of it depends on what they're going to do with free agency and Branden Albert."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think the answer to that, obviously, is going to give you the answer. Sitting where they are, let's face it, they need a QB."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"We don't know that there are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't, but there are a lot of people that think he should be considered."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"When you look at what they're going to do, what are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" Whoever the quarterback is, they need a wide receiver. And I think John Dorsey has to be thinking what is the big picture here?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I've got one, and I've got 34. What is the best combination of getting the most value out of that?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"And I think that offensive lineman at 1 is the most solid guy they can go with."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I'm crazy that a guard can't go No. 1."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think he's the best player in the draft, so I would argue that."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:" But either way, I think they've got to get an offensive lineman and come back at 33 and prepare to go with a QB or WR."

@Jacobs71: When I asked Mayock about who fits Reid's system at QB: " I think Matt Barkley makes a lot of sense."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" He's a guy as a junior at USC looked so much different than he did this year."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"With Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, I think all three of those guys you have to go back and watch junior tape. "

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" So I think Barkley fits what he does. I think Ryan Nassib fits what he does."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson both can fit what he does."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"So of those, that group of guys of the top seven, eight quarterbacks, I think those are the guys that did it most efficiently."

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Old 02-18-2013, 03:27 PM   #106
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How is it strange?

Name the next most pressing need on this team as of today.
But if the staff's evaluations of these players determine they aren't going to amount to shit in the NFL, what is still the most pressing need on the team AFTER you've used your #1 overall pick?
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:28 PM   #107
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There is the possibility that the Chiefs take Joeckel or Star at #1 and Smith, Barkley, Wilson, and everyone else turn into mediocre quarterbacks. I want Geno as much as the next person, but the QB or bust mentality is a little strange to me.
Even if Joeckel is a perennial pro-bowler, how many games does he win all by himself?

A MEDIOCRE QB will get more wins than Joeckel even if he's an upgrade over Albert.

And of course, it's quite probable that he isn't...
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:28 PM   #108
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There is the possibility that the Chiefs take Joeckel or Star at #1 and Smith, Barkley, Wilson, and everyone else turn into mediocre quarterbacks. I want Geno as much as the next person, but the QB or bust mentality is a little strange to me.
The only negative statement is strange to me.


There is a possibility that they turn out to be all pro's as well. We can't use the fear of a guy busting as the only reason not to take him. If there are flaws that they see and don't think they are fixable, fine, don't take the guy.


But just saying "this guy is risky, he might bust and it could set us back", is no way to do that.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:28 PM   #109
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Warmack also has tremendous lower body strength and can dominate the guy in front of him physically.

Joeckel is a fine pass blocker. Against the run, or drive blocking, he lacks top end strength.

Eric Fisher is a better all-around LT prospect but Joeckel is being ranked higher because of his pass blocking upside.

Joeckel isn't a complete prospect and isn't worth the #1 overall pick.
He fits what Reid will do with this team -- pass pass & pass more.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:29 PM   #110
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But if the staff's evaluations of these players determine they aren't going to amount to shit in the NFL, what is still the most pressing need on the team AFTER you've used your #1 overall pick?
If they determine ALL of them will be shit, then their evaluations should be in question.

There has not been a draft in the history of the NFL that had ZERO QBs in it.

It's NEVER happened.

These guys get payed to find "the one".
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:30 PM   #111
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But if the staff's evaluations of these players determine they aren't going to amount to shit in the NFL, what is still the most pressing need on the team AFTER you've used your #1 overall pick?
Thats not exactly what you were saying at first.


If they feel that way, yes, find a better option.


But the QB or bust comes from 30 years of finding every reason possible to pass on a first round QB. From, "he's not in our range, he's to risky, he may bust, wait til next year, we have bigger needs etc".
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:30 PM   #112
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He fits what Reid will do with this team -- pass pass & pass more.
We already have a left tackle that fits what Reid wants to do.

As evidenced by the fact that Reid tried to trade up to get him in the draft.
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The Chiefs have never, ever been in this position before in the history of their franchise. Never has it been more clear cut to what the pick should be. I'll readily admit that Geno or any other of the top QB's may not pan out to be Andrew Luck or RGIII, but would you want a guy comparable to Russell Wilson on the team? How about Matt Ryan? Andy Dalton? Would you take Ryan Tannehill over Geno, Barkley, or Wilson?
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:35 PM   #114
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Even if Joeckel is a perennial pro-bowler, how many games does he win all by himself?

A MEDIOCRE QB will get more wins than Joeckel even if he's an upgrade over Albert.

And of course, it's quite probable that he isn't...
I agree here. The QB is the most important on the field and needs to be upgraded on this team.

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The only negative statement is strange to me.


There is a possibility that they turn out to be all pro's as well. We can't use the fear of a guy busting as the only reason not to take him. If there are flaws that they see and don't think they are fixable, fine, don't take the guy.


But just saying "this guy is risky, he might bust and it could set us back", is no way to do that.
I 100% agree. But they're not going to draft based on whether or not a guy will bust. They are going to trust their evaluations and either say a.) We have to draft this QB, or b.) We don't.

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If they determine ALL of them will be shit, then their evaluations should be in question.

There has not been a draft in the history of the NFL that had ZERO QBs in it.

It's NEVER happened.

These guys get payed to find "the one".
2007 - Russell, Quinn, Kolb, Beck, Stanton, Edwards, Stanback, Rowe, Troy Smith, Jordan Palmer, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Moore (UDFA)

EDIT: 2002 was another horrid year for quarterbacks. These years do occasionally come about.
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The Chiefs have never, ever been in this position before in the history of their franchise. Never has it been more clear cut to what the pick should be. I'll readily admit that Geno or any other of the top QB's may not pan out to be Andrew Luck or RGIII, but would you want a guy comparable to Russell Wilson on the team? How about Matt Ryan? Andy Dalton? Would you take Ryan Tannehill over Geno, Barkley, or Wilson?
Absolutely, though I don't see Dalton having anywhere near as high of a ceiling.
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Absolutely, though I don't see Dalton having anywhere near as high of a ceiling.
Agreed. And I don't even hate Dalton as a signal caller.
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And quick delete, Dayze. I had the perfect response all lined up, as well.
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Lets not get to outta control. Geno, Wilson, and Bark are good prospects. Thats about it.
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And quick delete, Dayze. I had the perfect response all lined up, as well.
i forgot to quote your post lol.

....then it just looked like my post was off-the wall.
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Put it this way...My opinion has taken a complete 180 on what the Chiefs should do at #1. I was in the QB or bust mentality from the get-go. The more I watch film on these quarterback prospects though, I can't with 100% certainty say I would be ridiculously upset if we ended up with Joeckel or Star and Dysert/Nassib, especially given that we have a coach that I have the utmost confidence in to develop his own quarterback.

Geno definitely sticks out to me in terms of the top talent at the QB position in this draft, but I've finally come to the conclusion that I'm not going to panic if they don't go QB at #1. That's just me, and I want a stud QB as bad as the next person.
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