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Old 02-19-2013, 06:53 AM  
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Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.


But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?



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Old 02-19-2013, 04:14 PM   #196
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I'm somewhat starting to question if some of you actually remember Trent playing in KC, other than 2001.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:18 PM   #197
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He was an OK, solid QB. The best QB for the Chiefs since Montana nearly 20 seasons ago. Ill just leave it at that.
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And that's where we disagree.

For 4 years, Trent Green was great. Granted, I'd love to get 10 years of that, but to just expect it and say anything less is crap is going to make you a miserable sports fan.

I'd trade this year's entire draft for 10 years like the 4 we got from Trent Green. And if you really look at what Green was doing in relation to his peers over that time, you'd be insane not to do the same.

So if that's the case, isn't poo-pooing Trent Green's performance here pretty damn ignorant?
I don't think I am poo pooing his performance any more than some are taking it the other way. Time has a way of softening the undesirable things, and the sweet memories get sweeter.

I doubt anyone was much more pissed than I when Gaethers took him out, but to say he was anymore than a good QB is just not in the cards for me.

I want a great QB on this team, and don't want to see them give up more picks in any round for another recycle. Maybe that is just me. I am dug in after 43 years of futility.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:18 PM   #198
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See, that stuff doesn't bother me. If the Chiefs win and win in the playoffs, I couldn't care less how the QB was acquired.

Now, if the Chiefs need a QB and deliberately pass on highly rated guy, that's a different story. But if Matt Flynn or Nick Foles or Alex Smith won a Super Bowl as a Chiefs, I'd be thrilled.
I know you and I differ on this but the reason I care about how we acquire the QB is because I believe it is a factor on whether or not we can win in the first place.

The teams that are winning and winning regularly have drafted and developed their own guys.

In the 30 years or so I've been a fan, I've seen the Matt Flynn/Nick Foles/Alex Smith's come through KC. Over and over and over. I know how the story ends.

Is it completely rational or objective? No. If I were capable of looking at this in a 100% rational manner, I would have given up on this crap franchise YEARS ago.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:19 PM   #199
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I'm somewhat starting to question if some of you actually remember Trent playing in KC, other than 2001.
The question is whether or not you remember CHRIS THOMAS playing in KC in 2001.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:20 PM   #200
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The question is whether or not you remember CHRIS THOMAS playing in KC in 2001.
He knows the system, bro.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:22 PM   #201
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I don't think it's a stretch by any means to say that Trent Green was the second best QB this team has ever seen behind Len. And yes, that does include Montana.

If only we would have had ANY modicum of defense from 2002-2005....
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:23 PM   #202
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He knows the system, bro.
He's no Dexter McCluster though.
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Trent Green was a great QB in between the 20s. In the red zone, he was not.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:53 PM   #204
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Trent Green was a great QB in between the 20s. In the red zone, he was not.
And he sucked at improvisation.

Which is why when the OL went, he did.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:07 PM   #205
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I dont think Alex Smith is close to what Trent Green was.
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And he sucked at improvisation.

Which is why when the OL went, he did.
Im not sure thats fair to say. His melon was scrambled the first game of 2006 and never was the same again.
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Im not sure thats fair to say. His melon was scrambled the first game of 2006 and never was the same again.
Trent's decline started the year prior.

It wasn't obvious but he was slightly less effective when Roaf missed games that year.

He was always awful at throwing on the run, and if he had to get outside the pocket and make a play, good luck with that shit.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:53 PM   #208
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After Luck, RGIII, and Wilson, every draft is going to look like shit.


**** all of them. If last year's draft never happened, this QB class looks similar to most classes.
this. And its the reason these asshat "experts" should be taken with much grain of salt.
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You can't really argue that this is the weakest QB class in a long time. The only reason these QBs will go in the first is that the league is so QB-centric now.
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