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Old 02-19-2013, 06:53 AM  
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Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.


But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?



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Old 02-20-2013, 06:20 AM   #226
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Question: has there ever been a draft in which no quarterback was taken in the first round?
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:35 AM   #227
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That's just the thing. Foles is as much an unknown as any of the QBs in this draft. Flynn isn't even worth discussing. And Alex Smith's history doesn't necessarily scream "serious noise".

The 1995 team was "ready", especially on defense. This sounds EXACTLY like that. And we already know how that ended. In both 1995 AND 1997.
Foles is less of an unknown than ANY of the QB's in the draft. He's actually got a half season or so of actual NFL football to look at.

Foles is less of an unknown than Matt Flynn. Flynn's got one game to look at, and the fact that he got outplayed by a 3rd round rookie. (True, that rookie looks pretty special, but still.) I'd be bummed if we went with Flynn.

Foles is MORE of an unknown than Alex Smith; although I think with Smith you kind of have an idea of the ceiling. Foles you have an idea where the floor is, but the ceiling is to be determined. I'd be mildly disappointed if we went with Smith. This IS the same thing we've done for going on 3 decades.

IF Reid and Dorsey aren't into G. Smith and feel like the dropoff to the Barkley/Wilson/Nassib/Dysert guys is nada, I'd not be opposed to trading a pick for Foles and taking whichever of those guys at the top of the 2nd that they like as insurance. Two young QB's (one that's ready to play and has some experience in THIS offense with THIS coach, and one that's probably not quite there yet) would bode well for the future.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:36 AM   #228
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Foles is unknown to you, not the head coach.

This defense is as championship ready as half the playoff contenders in 2012, if not more.

This team is ready to strike. All they need the right QB to lead them.
Sounds like you're in full "gotta get these guys a championship" desperation mode.

Yep, that's how you end up with STEVE BONO.
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Foles ain't Bono.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:37 AM   #230
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Foles is less of an unknown than ANY of the QB's in the draft. He's actually got a half season or so of actual NFL football to look at.

Foles is less of an unknown than Matt Flynn. Flynn's got one game to look at, and the fact that he got outplayed by a 3rd round rookie. (True, that rookie looks pretty special, but still.) I'd be bummed if we went with Flynn.

Foles is MORE of an unknown than Alex Smith; although I think with Smith you kind of have an idea of the ceiling. Foles you have an idea where the floor is, but the ceiling is to be determined. I'd be mildly disappointed if we went with Smith. This IS the same thing we've done for going on 3 decades.

IF Reid and Dorsey aren't into G. Smith and feel like the dropoff to the Barkley/Wilson/Nassib/Dysert guys is nada, I'd not be opposed to trading a pick for Foles and taking whichever of those guys at the top of the 2nd that they like as insurance. Two young QB's (one that's ready to play and has some experience in THIS offense with THIS coach, and one that's probably not quite there yet) would bode well for the future.
I'm not opposed to trading a 3rd or 4th for Foles and having him COMPETE for a starting job.

We both know that's not what's going to happen. They'll hand him the keys.

There's absolutely no way to spin it otherwise - it IS Matt Cassel all over again.
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Foles ain't Bono.
He isn't Brett Favre either.
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Andy Reid knows quite a bit about Foles and Dorsey knows quite a bit about Flynn.
You're rationalizing again.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:49 AM   #233
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I'm not opposed to trading a 3rd or 4th for Foles and having him COMPETE for a starting job.

We both know that's not what's going to happen. They'll hand him the keys.

There's absolutely no way to spin it otherwise - it IS Matt Cassel all over again.
Except that it's not.
Foles is a 24 year old kid, who started and played well in college, who has a good arm and played pretty well on a shit team with little help as a rookie.

Cassel never played a down of college football, has a weak arm and took what had been an 18-1 team the previous season to a 10-6 record (with the scheduling gods playing the Pats against what was a horrible NFC West).

You cannot compare him to Cassel, they're nothing alike in any way, shape, form, experience level, background, physical attribute, or potential. They are literally two white guys who play QB and the similarity ends there.

The situation would be more like when GB traded a #2 for Brett Favre back in like '91 or '92 or whatever. If Reid thinks Foles is better than any of the possible draftees I'm good with it. I'd still like a high-ish pick to hedge the bet, though, and I like Nassib as a guy you could groom and hedge the bet.

I don't think Reid just hands anyone anything, it doesn't seem to be his MO. I would expect that Foles would start over any second round QB and Stanzi just based on past performance, but I don't think Reid would stick with him if there's a better player on the bench like Pioli did.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:52 AM   #234
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The situation would be more like when GB traded a #2 for Brett Favre back in like '91 or '92 or whatever.
and even thats pushing it. Favre barely even played for the Falcons in 91, so Foles has alot more experience at this point in his career than Favre did.
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I'm not even FOR this, really. I'd say I think trading a pick for Foles would be plan B as long as they draft a QB at the top of the 2nd to develop/compete.

I'd still prefer to draft Geno at #1.
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I'm not even FOR this, really. I'd say I think trading a pick for Foles would be plan B as long as they draft a QB at the top of the 2nd to develop/compete.

I'd still prefer to draft Geno at #1.
Id like to draft Geno and still trade for Foles or another QB.

But ill trust whatever decision these guys make....at least initially.
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Sounds like you're in full "gotta get these guys a championship" desperation mode.

Yep, that's how you end up with STEVE BONO.
But in another thread you not only want to trade a high draft pick but also sign a malcontent to a huge deal. How is that different?
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Except that it's not.
Foles is a 24 year old kid, who started and played well in college, who has a good arm and played pretty well on a shit team with little help as a rookie.
No, he's a former 3rd round pick who played good (not great) in a 1-read spread offense, taking almost 80% of his snaps out of the shotgun.

He played flat above average ball as rookie while still taking 75% of his snaps out of the shotgun.

The ONLY reason he's even being talked about is because people are suddenly ready to just blindly trust Reid, as if the whole Scott Pioli thing never happened.

What's funny is the Chiefs have shown exactly ZERO interest in Nick Foles and the Eagles have shown exactly ZERO interest in trading him.
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But in another thread you not only want to trade a high draft pick but also sign a malcontent to a huge deal. How is that different?
Percy Havin is one of the most dangerous players in the NFL. He was a legit MVP candidate before getting hurt last year.

A guy that can score each and every time he touches the ball is ABSOLUTELY different.
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Percy Havin is one of the most dangerous players in the NFL. He was a legit MVP candidate before getting hurt last year.

A guy that can score each and every time he touches the ball is ABSOLUTELY different.
Mvp candidate? Youve lost your damn mind.
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