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Old 02-19-2013, 06:53 AM  
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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.


But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?



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Old 02-20-2013, 04:23 PM   #406
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You weren't here, so you're once again talking about something you know nothing about.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:23 PM   #407
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I don't make a special note to watch a lot of college football, I just do.

It's got nothing to do with scouting players. I just happen to have watch A LOT of these guys play, and play A LOT.
And I just happened to have had a newborn in August, so MY time was limited.

But that's cool, go ahead and insult me for not watching a team in West Virginia, because, you know, they're broadcast every week in SoCal.

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So why don't you stick to something you actually know something about...oh wiat, according to you, that's literally everything.
And where and when did I say that?

Where have I stated that ANY of the 2013 QB's would be failures, successes, so on and so forth? Or, where have I stepped outside my knowledge base and offered poor advice to someone?
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:25 PM   #408
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No, he said "coming out of college".

Only the most obstinate, self-righteous asshole would try to make that into anything other than what it is:

COMING OUT OF COLLEGE

But go ahead and try to twist every last letter in the English language in and effort to prove your point.

Every time you do it, it just proves mine - that you're a GIANT ****ING DOUCHE.
I'm a douche because BossChief said "Coming out of college" instead of prospects as rated by NFL Scouts.

That's nice.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:25 PM   #409
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I'm a douche because BossChief said "Coming out of college" instead of prospects as rated by NFL Scouts.

That's nice.
It's pretty clear what "coming out of college means".

Unless you're being disingenuous.

Or you're just flat ****ing stupid.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:26 PM   #410
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And I just happened to have had a newborn in August, so MY time was limited.

But that's cool, go ahead and insult me for not watching a team in West Virginia, because, you know, they're broadcast every week in SoCal.


Talk about completely missing the point.

I'm not insulting you for not watching.

I'm insulting you because you feel the need to insult me because I do.

Way to make it all about you, the constant victim.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:27 PM   #411
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You weren't here, so you're once again talking about something you know nothing about.
Really? I wasn't here in October?

Huh. That's odd because I began posting again sometime around the end of July 2012 so technically, October 2012 is between July 2012 and February 2013.

Unless there's some new Top Secret Scouting Report I missed that has redefined the Gregorian Calendar.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:28 PM   #412
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Talk about completely missing the point.

I'm not insulting you for not watching.

I'm insulting you because you feel the need to insult me because I do.

Way to make it all about you, the constant victim.
I didn't insult you for watching college football.

I asked that if I were to watch all of the games, would I be allowed to join the club?

Completely different.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:30 PM   #413
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I didn't insult you for watching college football.

I asked that if I were to watch all of the games, would I be allowed to join the club?

Completely different.
You can join my club if you'll pay the low, low one time entry fee of 11,000 dollars.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:32 PM   #414
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Would you care to identify the "logical side"?
I said A logical side.
I'm not getting into this with you.
You've never budged an inch as long as I've "known" you. I don't expect you to now.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:38 PM   #416
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A monstrous backlash for what, exactly? Waiting for The Combines, waiting for free agency to begin and waiting to see who exactly the Chiefs draft?

JFC. Never ONCE have I said that Geno Smith shouldn't be the choice. I've chosen to WAIT before making any determination until AFTER the Combines.

****ing moron.
Personally, the Combine, Pro Days, + Senior Bowl shouldn't radically alter how one views a prospect (without knowledge as to interviews, etc.) The majority of one's opinion should be primarily based on film available/personal viewings of a prospect.

JMHO though.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:39 PM   #417
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Is that what I said, you ****ing piece of garbage?

YOU didn't specify "Prospect". Did you? No.

So, shut the **** up.
YOU said that your answer was gonna stay the same after we wrote the explanation in crayon for ya.

So, yes...that IS what YOU wrote.

Sorry you couldn't connect the dots yourself, Douchelord Blowhard.
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Personally, the Combine, Pro Days, + Senior Bowl shouldn't radically alter how one views a prospect (without knowledge as to interviews, etc.) The majority of one's opinion should be primarily based on film available/personal viewings of a prospect.

JMHO though.
I think it's a mix of both. You have to watch the tape and then ask the player why he made the mistakes he made...then, based on his response, you go back to the tape and see what you can do to correct it, if at all. Then, you follow up with future interviews and then in the private workout, you try to see if he can or can't do things you will ask him to do if you draft him...some things you want to see if he has made improvements since the film you saw and some things you may not have seen on tape, but want to see him do it because if you draft them, it's part of their job.

It's all part of assessing how far the QB will need to go, mentally and physically, once you draft him...before he can get on the field.

This is the part that I think Barkley, Wilson and Geno will help themselves...Geno being the biggest profiteer.

Geno should wow gms and coaches on the board with X's and O's, in his interviews about on nd off the field stuff and should be able to blow them away with his throwing to every area of the field.
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Personally, the Combine, Pro Days, + Senior Bowl shouldn't radically alter how one views a prospect (without knowledge as to interviews, etc.) The majority of one's opinion should be primarily based on film available/personal viewings of a prospect.

JMHO though.
Yeah, I like the combine for limited purposes.

Geno: Has Weinke fixed his footwork to where he will step and drive? If so, the combine will show that and he's at a clear 'elite' level as a prospect.

Barkley: Is his arm sound?

But for most things, the tape should tell you more than the combine.
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Barkley isn't gonna throw at the combine...and Dysert injured his hamstring while working out.
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