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Old 02-21-2013, 08:12 PM  
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Nick Foles News

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The Kansas City Chiefs still don't have a reliable starting quarterback for the 2013 season, a glaring issue that will assuredly be addressed in the coming months. One possibility for Andy Reid and his new team could be to bring in the quarterback he drafted last year out of Arizona, and as Chris Mortensen sees it, the Chiefs would have to give up at least a third-round pick to do so.

For more on the Chiefs offseason, head over to Arrowhead Pride.

Mortensen said on ESPN's "NFL 32" a third-rounder would probably be the going rate to acquire Foles. He seems to believe Kansas City is inclined to head to the bargaining table for the 24-year-old passer.

Clearly the connection between Reid and Foles would be a starting point to these negotiations. He drafted Foles in Round 3 of the 2012 NFL Draft, ultimately supplanting Michael Vick with the rookie quarterback later in the season.

If the Chiefs find a way to bring in Foles, retain Dwayne Bowe and use their No. 1 pick in April for another valuable commodity like Luke Joeckel, we might actually see the beginning of a decent offensive display. Kansas City has plenty of work ahead this offseason.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:26 PM   #166
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And if Reid says, he's not in this draft?
And if we pass and it turns out there is one?
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:28 PM   #167
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And if we pass and it turns out there is one?
It's a strike against Reid and Dorsey.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:30 PM   #168
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It's a strike against Reid and Dorsey.
Yeah and a pretty big one based on the qb guru talk
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:36 PM   #169
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Yeah and a pretty big one based on the qb guru talk
It would. I'm not expecting that however, but who knows.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:42 PM   #170
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It would. I'm not expecting that however, but who knows.
Them to miss or there not to be one?
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:43 PM   #171
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I hope Reid doesn't overpay and let Philly get over on us for Foles
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:44 PM   #172
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Them to miss or there not to be one?
Them to miss.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:45 PM   #173
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I'm actually fairly confident they end up taking a guy at 1.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:46 PM   #174
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Thats great and all.


But I'm not real interested in finding a guy he can get to play ok so we can flip him for picks.

I want the guy he can get to play elite and win games.
He acquired all of those guys (except Foles) while he still had McNabb...whom he passed on a trade that included an entire draft of the Saints, to take second overall.

***** said "don't be so locked in at quarterback" for a reason.

I think the ONLY way we don't draft Geno is if someone offers us a deal like RG3s trade to move down to a spot we can still get on of the top 3 guys...but add a couple first round picks in the process.

I for one, can't blame them. I wouldn't be pissed if we ended the first round with Barkley and a couple firsts and seconds.
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:27 AM   #175
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Outside of Donovan McNabb, Andy Reid has produced the same number of franchise QBs that Scott ***** has - zero.

I am ABSOLUTELY an Andy Reid fan. But he's just not this mythical QB whisperer. He just isn't. He's never had a dumpster fire under center. But he's never turned chicken shit into chicken salad.

He's been SOLID for his entire career. But the only time he's been GREAT is when he took the QB #2 overall.
McNabb was his guy for a number of years the jury is still out on Foles and Vick was an MVP candidate under Reid. Garcia threw for 10 td's 2 picks and won the division when many thought he was washed up.
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:43 AM   #176
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2nd round pick for Foles??

This is all I have to say to that.

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Old 02-24-2013, 12:57 AM   #177
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I hope Reid doesn't overpay and let Philly get over on us for Foles
Not sure they could pull one over considering Reid knows more about Foles than anyone on the Eagles staff or front office
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:05 AM   #178
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Not sure they could pull one over considering Reid knows more about Foles than anyone on the Eagles staff or front office
Well hypothetically if Reid left PHI with an intention on getting Foles from them, he might be willing to give up more than he should. That being said, in all of these questions people seem to either wonder what Reid will do or what Dorsey will do. I tend to believe them when they say it's a team decision, with Dorsey making final say.
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Outside of Donovan McNabb, Andy Reid has produced the same number of franchise QBs that Scott ***** has - zero.

I am ABSOLUTELY an Andy Reid fan. But he's just not this mythical QB whisperer. He just isn't. He's never had a dumpster fire under center. But he's never turned chicken shit into chicken salad.

He's been SOLID for his entire career. But the only time he's been GREAT is when he took the QB #2 overall.
He isn't the QB guru people say he is when they go overboard. He did get more out of AJ Feeley than anyone else did. He did resurrect Jeff Garcia's career when it looked dead after Detroit and Cleveland. Donovan McNabb was clearly on the down trend, but when he left Andy Reid's tutelage, he totally fell into oblivion in DC and Minnesota. He also was responsible for Michael Vick having the best passing season of his career. I don't know if he will turn garbage into gold, but I don't know of many that do. I don't think any coach can with a terrible QB.

From a limited look at Nick Foles, here is my initial scouting report:

Pros:

-It seems hard to phase him. He doesn't seem to get rattled no matter how many times he gets hit. He shows poise and it pretty mature.

-Pretty accurate. Had some mistakes here and there, but you got a sense he had good touch on the ball and was good at putting it where only the receiver could get it.

-Smart. Started in a very bad situation and was able to handle the offense. Knows when to audible out of plays in key spots. Seems to grasp the flow of the game, and NFL defenses.

Cons:

-Can stare down receivers giving away his target. A lot of young QBs do this though.

-Had trouble planting his feet on deep passes, causing him to underthrow them at times. Lets the ball out a little early.

-Immobile

-Sometimes forced throws into coverage when he shouldn't have.


I don't think I saw enough of him to tell this board whether or not he's going to be a player. I'd be lying. I haven't seen enough yet. Did I look at Nick Foles this past season and think "Man, this guy is going to be special"? No. I also didn't look at him and say he's going to suck either. If I'm KC, I personally would not give up a 3rd for Foles, but if Andy Reid likes him that much, I guess he needs to go with his guy. We'll see how it all plays out.
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He isn't the QB guru people say he is when they go overboard. He did get more out of AJ Feeley than anyone else did. He did resurrect Jeff Garcia's career when it looked dead after Detroit and Cleveland. Donovan McNabb was clearly on the down trend, but when he left Andy Reid's tutelage, he totally fell into oblivion in DC and Minnesota. He also was responsible for Michael Vick having the best passing season of his career. I don't know if he will turn garbage into gold, but I don't know of many that do. I don't think any coach can with a terrible QB.

From a limited look at Nick Foles, here is my initial scouting report:

Pros:

-It seems hard to phase him. He doesn't seem to get rattled no matter how many times he gets hit. He shows poise and it pretty mature.

-Pretty accurate. Had some mistakes here and there, but you got a sense he had good touch on the ball and was good at putting it where only the receiver could get it.

-Smart. Started in a very bad situation and was able to handle the offense. Knows when to audible out of plays in key spots. Seems to grasp the flow of the game, and NFL defenses.

Cons:

-Can stare down receivers giving away his target. A lot of young QBs do this though.

-Had trouble planting his feet on deep passes, causing him to underthrow them at times. Lets the ball out a little early.

-Immobile

-Sometimes forced throws into coverage when he shouldn't have.


I don't think I saw enough of him to tell this board whether or not he's going to be a player. I'd be lying. I haven't seen enough yet. Did I look at Nick Foles this past season and think "Man, this guy is going to be special"? No. I also didn't look at him and say he's going to suck either. If I'm KC, I personally would not give up a 3rd for Foles, but if Andy Reid likes him that much, I guess he needs to go with his guy. We'll see how it all plays out.
Good post. I have enjoyed your posts on Andy since you come off pretty level-headed. It's only one opinion but it's better than no perspective at all.
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