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Old 02-21-2013, 08:12 PM  
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Nick Foles News

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The Kansas City Chiefs still don't have a reliable starting quarterback for the 2013 season, a glaring issue that will assuredly be addressed in the coming months. One possibility for Andy Reid and his new team could be to bring in the quarterback he drafted last year out of Arizona, and as Chris Mortensen sees it, the Chiefs would have to give up at least a third-round pick to do so.

For more on the Chiefs offseason, head over to Arrowhead Pride.

Mortensen said on ESPN's "NFL 32" a third-rounder would probably be the going rate to acquire Foles. He seems to believe Kansas City is inclined to head to the bargaining table for the 24-year-old passer.

Clearly the connection between Reid and Foles would be a starting point to these negotiations. He drafted Foles in Round 3 of the 2012 NFL Draft, ultimately supplanting Michael Vick with the rookie quarterback later in the season.

If the Chiefs find a way to bring in Foles, retain Dwayne Bowe and use their No. 1 pick in April for another valuable commodity like Luke Joeckel, we might actually see the beginning of a decent offensive display. Kansas City has plenty of work ahead this offseason.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:43 AM   #181
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What a moronic statement by Mort. Why not write:


Joeckel is the worst pick the Chiefs could make at 1. It adds zero value to the team over signing Albert.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:47 AM   #182
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Good post. I have enjoyed your posts on Andy since you come off pretty level-headed. It's only one opinion but it's better than no perspective at all.
Thanks.

We really don't know what is going on in Philly yet either. Chip Kelly says he likes Nick Foles a lot to the media, but some people that cover the team believe it is a front for leverage in trade talks. So Eagles fans are in the dark as much as Chiefs fans about the whole Nick Foles situation.

If a trade goes down, I doubt it happens after the draft. So I think we'll have our answer in a couple months at the latest.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:54 AM   #183
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That's a cop out.
How is it a cop out?

If we trade for a QB and the kid works out and brings the Chiefs multiple SB wins who the F**k should care?

Len Dawson wasn't drafted by the Texans before he originally signed with them in the 60's and you don't hear anyone complaining about that. All they remember is he took the Chiefs to their only two SB appearances in franchise history.

Do we all want the Chiefs to draft and develop their own QB? Sure we do. I get it. But if we get someone else young and he IS successful, and by successful I mean SB wins. I don't really care.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:59 AM   #184
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How is it a cop out?

If we trade for a QB and the kid works out and brings the Chiefs multiple SB wins who the F**k should care?

Len Dawson wasn't drafted by the Texans before he originally signed with them in the 60's and you don't hear anyone complaining about that. All they remember is he took the Chiefs to their only two SB appearances in franchise history.

Do we all want the Chiefs to draft and develop their own QB? Sure we do. I get it. But if we get someone else young and he IS successful, and by successful I mean SB wins. I don't really care.
That shit doesn't ****ing happen. Hooray for Dawson and thank God the Chiefs got at least one Super Bowl under him, but that was in 1970. Football was a different game.

Brett Favre was the last true backup from another team to be "developed" as a starter by another team trading for him. That means teams that adopt that strategy- Houston with Schaub, Chiefs with Cassel, Cardinals with Kolb, etc. are going against history.

There's a reason why backup QBs are backup QBs. It does little good to expect even the best young ones to do shit.

So yes, it's a cop out. It's a waste of ****ing time. "I don't care where the Chiefs get a QB as long as they get one who wins" is ****ing stupid because you DO care if the Chiefs waste resources on another team's backup. It's a dumb trade 99.9% of the time. And if you don't care about that, then you're a blind homer.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:01 AM   #185
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That shit doesn't ****ing happen. Hooray for Dawson and thank God the Chiefs got at least one Super Bowl under him, but that was in 1970. Football was a different game.

Brett Favre was the last true backup from another team to be "developed" as a starter by another team trading for him. That means teams that adopt that strategy- Houston with Schaub, Chiefs with Cassel, Cardinals with Kolb, etc. are going against history.

There's a reason why backup QBs are backup QBs. It does little good to expect even the best young ones to do shit.
Hey, just because it hasn't happened, and was in fact a disaster, 8247235273523 times in a row doesn't mean it can't happen the 8247235273524th time!
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:03 AM   #186
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Chip Kelly said he isn't trading Foles and that's that. He said he looks forward to seeing him on the practice squad.

Anything the Chiefs do to try to get him would be tampering.
USA Today reported 3 hours after your above quote from Chip that the two teams were discussing trade possibilities, behind close doors.

It's called negotiating. You never come right out with your best offer right off the bat or even offer the player right up.

And it's NOT tampering if the two teams officials are talking thru the proper channels as they are.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:15 AM   #187
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Stop assuming Geno will be great in the NFL. That is your first mistake. What if they pass on him and he goes to the Raiders and busts hard? If you think there isn't a valid reason why everyone on the planet is skeptical of Geno, then you are crazy.
Where a player goes and what type of scheme and coaches he has for that system are HUGE!
So when you say, if the Chiefs pass on him and he goes to the Raiders and is a bust, that means nothing in relation to what he could have been in KC with their coaches, scheme and weapons put in place to surround him there.

If Joe Montana would have never been placed with Bill Walsh???
Think about it.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:35 AM   #188
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And if Reid says, he's not in this draft?
Then what? We freaking play with Cassel or Stanzi?
And this because people won't trade with Reid all because they think if he wants a QB he must be good so we shouldn't trade him to KC?
Well, that won't be the case with the Niners, they want rid of Smith, but I don't want him.
Philly, I gotta believe after they traded for Dixon and re-did Vicks contract that Foles is just not going to be the 'type' of QB Chip wants and once the NFL calendar turns the page Foles will magically be available. I say the deal for Foles to KC gets done. like it or not.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:57 AM   #189
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USA Today reported 3 hours after your above quote from Chip that the two teams were discussing trade possibilities, behind close doors.

It's called negotiating. You never come right out with your best offer right off the bat or even offer the player right up.

And it's NOT tampering if the two teams officials are talking thru the proper channels as they are.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:21 AM   #190
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Joeckel is the worst pick the Chiefs could make at 1. It adds zero value to the team over signing Albert.
It's not my favorite move but this is a skewed view. It assumes that Joekel and Albert are the same player and that you don't use the cap savings to improve the team at another position in FA.


That USA Today article says Cassel hasn't been offered a pay cut and is soon to be released. I think that makes sense for all parties involved. Fans want Cassel gone and he probably needs a fresh start somewhere else.
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Old 02-24-2013, 07:07 AM   #191
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If it happens it will probably be during the draft because we didnt take a QB at number one and none of our target QBs lasted until round two
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:56 AM   #192
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You're forgetting Favre and Hasselbeck in Green Bay. He was brought to Green Bay the same year Brett was so I'd like to think he had at least a little to do with his early success
Hasselbeck blossomed in Seattle, under Holmgren.

I'd LOVE to think Reid has something to do with it, but reality says Holmgren was much more of a factor.
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:57 AM   #193
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McNabb was his guy for a number of years the jury is still out on Foles and Vick was an MVP candidate under Reid. Garcia threw for 10 td's 2 picks and won the division when many thought he was washed up.
Vick was a #1 pick.

If you take him out, look at those numbers.

It's pretty bad really.
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How is it a cop out?

If we trade for a QB and the kid works out and brings the Chiefs multiple SB wins who the F**k should care?

Len Dawson wasn't drafted by the Texans before he originally signed with them in the 60's and you don't hear anyone complaining about that. All they remember is he took the Chiefs to their only two SB appearances in franchise history.

Do we all want the Chiefs to draft and develop their own QB? Sure we do. I get it. But if we get someone else young and he IS successful, and by successful I mean SB wins. I don't really care.
Because that's totally based on hindsight.

Right NOW, before the fact, you can only hope that they do what gives them the highest probability of winning.

You can talk about Len Dawson and Tom Brady and Kurt Warner all you want. Hold your breath and wait for the undrafted miracle to happen in KC.

The surest way to get to a Super Bowl is to draft a QB in round 1. Period. That's FORETHOUGHT, not hindsight.
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USA Today reported 3 hours after your above quote from Chip that the two teams were discussing trade possibilities, behind close doors.

It's called negotiating. You never come right out with your best offer right off the bat or even offer the player right up.

And it's NOT tampering if the two teams officials are talking thru the proper channels as they are.
USA Today also reported, in that same article, that the Eagles told the Chiefs that Foles wasn't available.
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