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Old 02-22-2013, 07:37 AM  
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Poilian says no QB worthy of #1. Chiefs can find one later





Former Colts GM Polian says Chiefs can find a QB in the draft

— In Bill Polian’s long career as an NFL general manager, his team had the number-one pick in the draft just once. That was in 1998, when he was with Indianapolis, and the Colts that year selected a quarterback, Peyton Manning.


That worked out well for Polian and the Colts. But Polian said he doesn’t think the Chiefs should draft a quarterback with this year’s first pick, even though they would like an upgrade over Matt Cassel. Like many assessing this year’s draft, Polian said there’s not a quarterback worthy of being the number-one selection.

“Just because there’s not a quarterback that everybody now doesn’t think is worth the number-one pick doesn’t mean you can’t get a quarterback,” Polian said. “Nobody thought Russell Wilson was worth a third-round pick except a couple of us. He turned out to be a pretty good quarterback.

“You always go for the best player. It’s foolish to go for need and (Chiefs coach Andy Reid) won’t do that.”

While Reid coached in Philadelphia, the Eagles at least a couple of times found quarterbacks after the first round who eventually became starters, including Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles.

“Nobody develops quarterbacks better than Andy Reid,” Polian said. “So rest assured, you’ve got the right guy. Whatever decision he makes will be the right one. He’ll find a quarterback. It doesn’t need to be the first guy in the draft.”
Other than to stay away from quarterbacks, Polian had no advice for the Chiefs with the first pick.

“Ask Andy,” he said. “They know their personnel far better than I do and they know what they need.”



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Old 02-22-2013, 09:22 AM   #76
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So Andy Reid went for the Flavor of the Month.

You're not making a case for him being a "QB guru". Quite the opposite actually.
He went with the better player that was winning. People that aren't viewed as franchise QBs by the league at large will not end up being traded for a solid CB and 2nd round pick.

In the end, the Eagles would have been foolish to plug Kolb back in after Vick played like he did. It doesn't mean that he wasn't a franchise QB, though. They got what they could for him knowing that Vick was their guy going forward. That decision is not just on Reid, but GM Howie Roseman as well.

I know it seems ridiculous to you to have a guy labeled as a "QB guru" be able to plug in a quarterback and have him play well. That's because I don't understand your reasoning at all. I mean, what else would you expect of a QB guru, besides good play at the QB position?
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:22 AM   #77
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Teams will know what round each player will be slotted in. Especially the team that winds up in a position to draft said player.

For all the teams that wanted that player but missed out, they clearly didn't ****ing know where the QB was going to be drafted now, did they? I know only one team can pick one player, but your explanation is still a far ****ing cry from the Seahawks going, "We have Flynn but need another QB. Here's what we do: RUSSELL WILSON. Got it? He's gonna be our 3rd round pick, and no team will trade ahead of us to go get him, because we know EVERYTHING there is to know about this player."

I'm just trying to get you to stop saying retarded shit like, "Teams know when players will be available in certain rounds." They can make educated guesses, but all it takes is a Christian Ponder reach or a huge ****ing surprise trade out of nowhere to throw things out of whack. Then all that educated speculation they made about the player goes out the window.

Smart teams don't pound the value button like a retarded monkey. Smart teams isolate the players they really want and need, and they GET THEM. Regardless of whether or not it's considered a reach. For example, in that very same draft you saw Bruce Irvin get reached on hard by the Seahawks because they frankly didn't know if another team was going to one-up them. Irvin sure as hell wasn't very good value where they picked him, but they got their guy. They said, "**** value. We want this player." And they pulled the trigger.

Again, shut the **** up, dumbass
Yeah....because I'm sure all 31 other teams looked at last year and went.....

"Don't even go after Bruce Irvin guys....the Seahawks are taking him in the 1st round."
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:24 AM   #78
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Teams will know what round each player will be slotted in. Especially the team that winds up in a position to draft said player.

For all the teams that wanted that player but missed out, they clearly didn't ****ing know where the QB was going to be drafted now, did they? I know only one team can pick one player, but your explanation is still a far ****ing cry from the Seahawks going, "We have Flynn but need another QB. Here's what we do: RUSSELL WILSON. Got it? He's gonna be our 3rd round pick, and no team will trade ahead of us to go get him, because we know EVERYTHING there is to know about this player."

I'm just trying to get you to stop saying retarded shit like, "Teams know when players will be available in certain rounds." They can make educated guesses, but all it takes is a Christian Ponder reach or a huge ****ing surprise trade out of nowhere to throw things out of whack. Then all that educated speculation they made about the player goes out the window.

Smart teams don't pound the value button like a retarded monkey. Smart teams isolate the players they really want and need, and they GET THEM. Regardless of whether or not it's considered a reach. For example, in that very same draft you saw Bruce Irvin get reached on hard by the Seahawks because they frankly didn't know if another team was going to one-up them. Irvin sure as hell wasn't very good value where they picked him, but they got their guy. They said, "**** value. We want this player." And they pulled the trigger.

Again, shut the **** up, dumbass
So by your logic, if Ryan Nassib or EJ Manuel is our top rated QB, we should take him 1st overall?

Because that's a ****ing horrible plan.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:25 AM   #79
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Yeah, Andy really "developed" Kolb.

Developed him into a career 59% passer with a 28:25 TD:INT ratio and a 79 QBR.

That just SCREAMS franchise QB.
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So by your logic, if Ryan Nassib or EJ Manuel is our top rated QB, we should take him 1st overall?

Because that's a ****ing horrible plan.
Well, if they have those two as their top two QB's, we have a bigger problem all together, but lets not dive into that right now.


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Old 02-22-2013, 09:26 AM   #81
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So Andy Reid went for the Flavor of the Month.

You're not making a case for him being a "QB guru". Quite the opposite actually.
Going off of your definition then, the opposite of a QB guru is a guy who gets quarterbacks to play well in his offense. Got it.

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Old 02-22-2013, 09:31 AM   #82
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Well, if they have those two as their top two QB's, we have a bigger problem all together, but lets not dive into that right now.


We'll have to see.

EJ Manuel is the closest thing to Donovan McNabb in this draft though. Very similar indeed.

Raw player with running ability, but better size and accuracy than McNabb. Hell their stats are also extremely similar.

Definitely think he's in the mix.
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So by your logic, if Ryan Nassib or EJ Manuel is our top rated QB, we should take him 1st overall?

Because that's a ****ing horrible plan.
Why not? Should we wait until the next round and HOPE he doesn't get taken by the 31 others teams between our pick?
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:32 AM   #84
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Going off of your definition then, the opposite of a QB guru is a guy who gets quarterbacks to play well in his offense. Got it.

A QB guru is someone who develops ELITE QBs.

If you think Kevin Kolb is an elite QB, I don't know what to tell you. That's just stupid.
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We'll have to see.

EJ Manuel is the closest thing to Donovan McNabb in this draft though. Very similar indeed.

Raw player with running ability, but better size and accuracy than McNabb. Hell their stats are also extremely similar.

Definitely think he's in the mix.
Accuracy is terrible IMO. And if you don't like Geno for the flaws you say he has, Manuel has similar flaws and is worse.
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I find all the anger at the draft guys and ex-GMs to be funny. Is it their fault this years QB class sucks in terms of top end talent? The networks LOVE QBs. If there was a prospect to get excited over and over-hype they would. Based on game film alone it looks like there is one prospect who is getting a mid-first round grade. That's it. The choice for Reid is (a) bring in a vet, (b) reach for Smith, or (c) wait for the later rounds and try to beat the odds that that player can become a franchise QB.

Reaching for Smith is fine since you aren't going to get the same impact from any other position if you hit your pick. But, people need to stop whining that the entire world doesn't view him as a top 3 graded player.
The QB class doesn't suck.

There's a reason they are EX GMs.

Get over it.
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We'll have to see.

EJ Manuel is the closest thing to Donovan McNabb in this draft though. Very similar indeed.

Raw player with running ability, but better size and accuracy than McNabb. Hell their stats are also extremely similar.

Definitely think he's in the mix.
Come on man.

EJ Manuel is the closest thing to McNabb?

They're not similar AT ALL.

Did you even watch Manuel play?
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A QB guru is someone who develops ELITE QBs.
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Eh. Then that would mean there's an extremely small number of QB gurus in the league. I mean, how many guys have developed multiple elite QBs?
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Come on man.

EJ Manuel is the closest thing to McNabb?

They're not similar AT ALL.

Did you even watch Manuel play?
It's RunKC.....of course he didn't watch them play.
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Eh. Then that would mean there's an extremely small number of QB gurus in the league. I mean, how many guys have developed multiple elite QBs?
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Not many.

The term "guru" is used way too liberally IMO.

Andy Reid is a VERY good coach. QB whisperer he is not.

And using Kevin Kolb to try and argue that he is is ****ing hilariously stupid.
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