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Old 02-22-2013, 09:36 AM  
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The Exhaustion of the American Teacher

Ran across this article making it's way around facebook.
I thought it was very interesting, especially considering my wife is an elementary teacher. This really hits the nail on the head.
What are your thoughts?

I don't venture into the DC forum too often, sorry if repost.

And the article won't let me Copy/Paste.

http://theeducatorsroom.com/2012/09/...erican-teacher
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:49 PM   #136
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:56 AM   #137
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Lowest 10% (starting teachers) are in that $30-35K range:

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Education-Tra...hers.htm#tab-5

Somewhat mitigating the 10-month work year is the fact that I'm guessing most teachers work more than 40 hours a week during the school year. I hosted a MathCounts competition today, and all the teachers were sitting at tables grading papers. I'm guessing that if they weren't at the competition, sometime this weekend they would be doing that at home. But then, lots of other people work overtime as well.

Most teachers that have been at it for more than 5 years have earned their Masters. $50K for a mid-career professional with a Masters degree isn't anything to write home about. When its all said and done, I don't think they are grossly underpaid or overpaid.

Anyone who thinks teachers are overpaid is free to take advantage of the situation and become one.
I've always thought teachers were underpaid. I'm happy to see that it's least what I consider to be a living wage. Anyone who thinks teachers get into the industry to get rich is a ****ing moron.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:07 AM   #138
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I've always thought teachers were underpaid. I'm happy to see that it's least what I consider to be a living wage. Anyone who thinks teachers get into the industry to get rich is a ****ing moron.
Does anyone really think that or is it just a figure of speech?
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:27 AM   #139
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Does anyone really think that or is it just a figure of speech?
I don't know. Some of the posts I see around here make me wonder though. Mostly however it's just a figure of speech.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:35 AM   #140
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Study: People Claiming to Work More Than 70 Hours a Week Are Totally Lying, Probably
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Take part of this for what it's worth since it's from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics:




Can I see some more charts? That would make my wife and her fellow teachers feel alot better 10 PM at night when they're still grading papers.
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Can I see some more charts? That would make my wife and her fellow teachers feel alot better 10 PM at night when they're still grading papers.
I tell my kids to get their work done early so they don't have to do it at the last minute.
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:41 AM   #142
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Can I see some more charts? That would make my wife and her fellow teachers feel alot better 10 PM at night when they're still grading papers.
You're welcome to use google. I was merely googling the topic when I found that and the other links. Then put them up for interest.
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:57 AM   #143
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I tell my kids to get their work done early so they don't have to do it at the last minute.
Yeah, my wife screws around by spending a couple of hours after work having dinner with her family and actually interacting...and then doing her "homework". I need to tell her she should be better at prioritising.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:10 AM   #144
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Yeah, my wife screws around by spending a couple of hours after work having dinner with her family and actually interacting...and then doing her "homework". I need to tell her she should be better at prioritising.
That's happened to me. We don't know if your wife's schedule is typical or where it falls. Particularly, since the Nevada link says they're overworked and the other link claims they work less. Seems to me location might have something to do with it.
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That's happened to me. We don't know if your wife's schedule is typical or where it falls. Particularly, since the Nevada link says they're overworked and the other link claims they work less. Seems to me location might have something to do with it.
One point I'll have to concede is that the "right to work" states don't have the union power other states do...I'm sure it absolutely makes a difference where you live.
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One point I'll have to concede is that the "right to work" states don't have the union power other states do...I'm sure it absolutely makes a difference where you live.
Oh, I was talkin' about my primary profession—as a graphic designer/art director whether I've worked for someone or just freelance. We have crazy deadlines that can even keep us up all night at times; also all weekend and even holidays. I wasn't talking about teaching my profession as an adjunct at a college. Although, it some courses it has come down to that.
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Oh, I was talkin' about my primary profession—as a graphic designer/art director whether I've worked for someone or just freelance. We have crazy deadlines that can even keep us up all night at times; also all weekend and even holidays. I wasn't talking about teaching my profession as an adjunct at a college. Although, it some courses it has come down to that.
I'm from the same background; art director for a design studio in Scottsdale for a decade and have been freelance for the past 18 years...I know of the schedules you speak...we do what we have to do...comes with the territory...difference is we're not a whipping post for the nation.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:41 AM   #148
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I'm from the same background; art director for a design studio in Scottsdale for a decade and have been freelance for the past 18 years...I know of the schedules you speak...we do what we have to do...comes with the territory...difference is we're not a whipping post for the nation.
I didn't know teachers were whipping posts for the nation. I consider them victims of a flawed system, one that gives them losses on teaching.
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I'm from the same background; art director for a design studio in Scottsdale for a decade and have been freelance for the past 18 years...I know of the schedules you speak...we do what we have to do...comes with the territory...difference is we're not a whipping post for the nation.
The public education system has earned it's whipping post status. There are lots of good teachers and quite a few good school districts, but as a whole they're failing the nation just like parents, as a whole, are failing their kids (as many people have pointed out).

If I could only change one thing and hope to impact our education system in a positive way, I think I'd go outside the box and make divorce harder to get. That alone, probably isn't enough, but I think the biggest problem in education is the family even though I think the education system deserves plenty of blame too.
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If I could only change one thing and hope to impact our education system in a positive way, I think I'd go outside the box and make divorce harder to get. That alone, probably isn't enough, but I think the biggest problem in education is the family even though I think the education system deserves plenty of blame too.
I could support that, as well as getting rid of No Fault Divorce too. I definitely would not go for more govt involvement in day care so both parents can work. It just creates perverse incentives.
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