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Old 02-22-2013, 09:36 AM  
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The Exhaustion of the American Teacher

Ran across this article making it's way around facebook.
I thought it was very interesting, especially considering my wife is an elementary teacher. This really hits the nail on the head.
What are your thoughts?

I don't venture into the DC forum too often, sorry if repost.

And the article won't let me Copy/Paste.

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Old 02-25-2013, 03:12 PM   #166
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Here's what we have today:
Parents blame the schools. Schools blame the parents. Neither side takes any responsibility for their end.
Sorry; teachers are under WAY more scrutiny than parents will ever be...easy target and all...

When the truth is more both sides have a role in responsibility. Parents have every right to hold schools to academic results. Schools have a right to expect parents to handle children of poor behavior including personal discipline on doing homework.

Yep.

However, I do think there's an overlap with poor academic results because frustrated students will also act out more or give up. Bottom line still is, there's some blame to go around. My sister's school had one third of kids failing to learn to read even by age ten, despite govt provided tutors. Her kids were frustrated and devastated. She eventually took them out, and all it took was a change in methods to turn her kids around. She was also a stay-at-home mom who helped at the school a lot and had oversight on homework. IWO she was involved and hands on...but still her public school failed her two kids. It was a wealthy school district too. I see this as the system being flawed because of how reading is taught and this relates to how teachers have been taught to teach.
I really can't imagine that this level of fail is teaching technique; sounds to me classroom control must be minimal. Your sister is a great example of what an involved parent can accomplish...hence why so many kids fall by the wayside when that doesn't exist...teachers can't save them all or even most of them if the supports not there.
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:12 PM   #167
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Education IS broken. It's also loaded with PC social engineering with no escape. They are prisons of medocrity.
This is simply not true at all.
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:14 PM   #168
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Fix up neighborhoods, increase job stability and opportunity, decrease income inequality, and our schools will follow.
True but it is a very lofty goal. Exactly how do we go about narrowing the gap in wages? How do we increase job stability and opportunity? If we could address these problems our schools would not be the only thing that followed. Crime rates, incarceration rates would drop also. Still I ask how do we do this? It sounds good and people feel good saying it but nobody seems to have a solution. As someone who came from a high crime low income neighborhood with no education I some how made it. Throwing out rope does not seem to work. Either a person will swim or you just end up throwing out more rope. It seems it is left to those who are willing to swim to drag the rope attached to those who refuse to swim~
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:20 PM   #169
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I really can't imagine that this level of fail is teaching technique; sounds to me classroom control must be minimal.
IMO, both matter. Methods can and do make a difference in learning. If a kid is succeeding they're not as frustrated. I forget what grade your wife teaches. I think it was HS though. I am, for the most part, addressing kids being unable to read which is mostly accomplished in the first three grades. Many are ruined by then. HS inherits these kids and it's too late in the system.

Also, I meant to mention earlier, some learning has to include absorbing facts and some memorization to lay some foundations before being able to think more. http://www.welltrainedmind.com/classical-education/ There have been tools of learning that have been lost because they were substituted with experimental approaches and fads.

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Your sister is a great example of what an involved parent can accomplish...hence why so many kids fall by the wayside when that doesn't exist...teachers can't save them all or even most of them if the supports not there.[/b]
Well, I think I mustn't have been clear. She kept her kids in her local school waaaay tooo looong before she took them out at age 10. They were damaged by Grade 3. She even relied on their govt funded tutors. Nothing worked. I told her for years to not put them in and then later to take them out looong before age 10. She was still a believer. So weren't some others in her neighborhood before they learned the hard way.
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:23 PM   #170
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Fix up neighborhoods, increase job stability and opportunity, decrease income inequality, and our schools will follow.
There was a time when neighborhoods were poorer and we still had income inequality ( always have) and we didn't have the problems we have today.

Education needs an overhaul from bottom to top and by that I mean teacher training needs an overhaul. I just don't trust the experts to fix it though, because they come from the same mediocre system most of them.
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:26 PM   #171
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Education needs an overhaul from bottom to top and by that I mean teacher training.
What kind of teacher training? They already have 4 years of college education where they take classes on (among other things), "Teaching for Diverse Learners," "Classroom Assessment," "Educational Technology & Design," etc.

Then they go through student teaching and work with an experienced teacher. Then they consistently go through training workshops throughout their career.

We have a million people working on making education better. Districts pay a lot of money for executives to put together some great scheme that will change everything. We are obsessed with it being the Great Equalizer.
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:31 PM   #172
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BTW Marva Collins would put the income inequality and poor neighborhoods claim to shame. She taught in an in an impoverished Chicago inner city school, an area that was a bastion of the Whole Language reading program which was a failure. She applied classical education methods to these children, including on many who were falsely labeled as learning disabled. Behavioral problems disappeared, test scores were outstanding and other incredible reports. Her school lasted for 30 years. Too bad Chicago politicians didn't adopt her successful methods, instead claiming that double what they charged still wasn't enough to do what she did. They want people dumbed down so they can't figure out what's going on like La Literatura.
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:41 PM   #173
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BTW Marva Collins would put the income inequality and poor neighborhoods claim to shame. She taught in an in an impoverished Chicago inner city school, an area that was a bastion of the Whole Language reading program which was a failure. She applied classical education methods to these children, including on many who were falsely labeled as learning disabled. Behavioral problems disappeared, test scores were outstanding and other incredible reports. Her school lasted for 30 years. Too bad Chicago politicians didn't adopt her successful methods, instead claiming that double what they charged still wasn't enough to do what she did. They want people dumbed down so they can't figure out what's going on like La Literatura.
I don't want people dumbed down. That's a ridiculous accusation. (Reading about her now, I see) Her school was private, and was closed down because of a lack of funding. I think public schools should be sustainable and paid through taxes. Clearly this wasn't.

It's also important to build a system that doesn't rely on one person.
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You're not worth arguing with at length. Sorry. Get some real world experience.
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I don't want people dumbed down. That's a ridiculous accusation. (Reading about her now, I see) Her school was private, and was closed down because of a lack of funding. I think public schools should be sustainable and paid through taxes. Clearly this wasn't.

It's also important to build a system that doesn't rely on one person.
Dumbed down like this? "This board meeting is held in public, but it is not for the public, or of the public."
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IMO, both matter. Methods can and do make a difference in learning. If a kid is succeeding they're not as frustrated. I forget what grade your wife teaches. I think it was HS though. I am, for the most part, addressing kids being unable to read which is mostly accomplished in the first three grades. Many are ruined by then. HS inherits these kids and it's too late in the system.

Also, I meant to mention earlier, some learning has to include absorbing facts and some memorization to lay some foundations before being able to think more. http://www.welltrainedmind.com/classical-education/ There have been tools of learning that have been lost because they were substituted with experimental approaches and fads.



Well, I think I mustn't have been clear. She kept her kids in her local school waaaay tooo looong before she took them out at age 10. They were damaged by Grade 3. She even relied on their govt funded tutors. Nothing worked. I told her for years to not put them in and then later to take them out looong before age 10. She was still a believer. So weren't some others in her neighborhood before they learned the hard way.
This is all very interesting; affluent area you said? Do you mind telling me what school district this is and what years her kids went there? There must be some information about this atrocity. Doesn't sound like the norm to me.
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This is all very interesting; affluent area you said? Do you mind telling me what school district this is and what years her kids went there? There must be some information about this atrocity. Doesn't sound like the norm to me.
Why would there be when it's part of the regular bad news about education.
This was in Westwood Mass. 1989-90's. Actually for her younger one up through 2003. Not going to say which school or disctrict it was.
Cost her $25,000 a years each for a couple of years to turn them around at another private school which just used different methods.

Not the norm? Well, there's a lot more tutoring going on than before. I've talked to many teachers, albeit private school teachers, who say there's way too much labeling going on.
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Oh and Fan, don't expect the media to cover the schools on such things. Other things yes.
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You're not worth arguing with at length. Sorry. Get some real world experience.
You're arguing to the man, not the premises of my argument. I think you're doing so because you don't know what you're talking about.

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You're arguing to the man, not the premises of my argument. I think you're doing so because you don't know what you're talking about.
You think she doesn't know what she's talking about? Come on kid. I thought you were smarter than that. There is no doubt that she hasn't a ****ing clue on just about anything.
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