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Old 02-22-2013, 10:34 PM  
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I'm calling it now: EJ Manuel will the #1 pick by the Chiefs

I know this won't be popular, but I think this will be the guy that the Chiefs pick as their franchise QB. There are a couple of reasons for this: 1) I think mentally and in terms of leadership, this guy will knock it out of the park at the combine. This guy knows real adversity. This past year he played ball and kept his head in the game even though his mother was battling cancer. 2) He doesn't fold during big games. He is only the second college QB in history to win four straight bowl games. 3) He played in a pro-style offense while at FSU. 4) He has the measurables to be a truly franchise QB-- he can both pass and run (if needed) giving our O an added dimension we hadn't had in the past. 5) He isn't afraid of competition; he went to the senior bowl and wound up MVP. 6) The guy is tough as nails; he played with a broken leg during the 2011 Champs Sports Bowl Game in a Victory over Notre Dame.

Yeah, he has quite a few negatives, and a lot of you just flat out hate him--but given Dorsey's comments about how impressed he was with Russell Wilson's interview last year--I think Manuel will give a similar impression of his leadership and maturity to coaches this year.

Reid isn't afraid to take a QB that others rate lower than the consensus; McNabb was the 4th rated QB in his class when Andy drafted him.

While at this point I'd still rather have Geno, I'm prepping myself to like Manuel as I think he has a chnace to be the dark horse pick by the Chiefs. (And no, he won't be there in the second round; I think the senior bowl and the combine will really elevate his stock.)
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:47 PM   #16
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I'll be pissed the guy is a choke artist
24-6 as a starter; won 4 consecutive bowl games? How so? I hear he is frustratingly inconsistent, but it seems like one way or another he finds ways to win. I'm just curious.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:48 PM   #17
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And he absolutely folds in big games. FSU had National Championship type talent, yet always under achieved.


He had alot to do with it.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:49 PM   #18
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...They aren't even comparable prospects outside of Size and arm strength.
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STRENGTHS Physically imposing passer. Throws from the shotgun formation quite often, but is also effective on play action. Flashes the velocity to stretch the field and throw in tight spaces between defenders and on the sideline. Displays good touch on throws to each level of the field, finds receivers between defenders and drop passes over their head. Good athlete with the mobility to step up in the pocket to avoid pressure and take advantage of openings to pick up first downs with his feet. Quick release, though it often looks as though he’s throwing darts on shorter throws. Intelligent, high character team leader.
WEAKNESSES Gives opponents too many chances for turnovers by forcing throws into coverage trying to make a play. Area code accuracy – short throws are often low or wide, preventing receivers from making a play after the catch. Deep ball accuracy is uneven, as well. Gets happy feet under pressure, spins to the outside to avoid the rush. Inconsistent recognizing blitz. Must step into his throws more consistently to fully utilize his arm strength.

NFL COMPARISON Blaine Gabbert

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Old 02-22-2013, 10:50 PM   #19
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I've had close family members battle cancer before, and I kept going to work and performing to a high standard at my job.

Where's my ****ing draft slot? #1 overall pick nao plz
I've never fully understood the way of thinking that if a guy goes and plays football while he's dealing with a family issue that it's somehow heroic. An immediate family member death and then playing 5 days or less afterwards would be difficult.

But football is used as an escape from reality for some of these players just as much as it is from a fans standpoint. Dealing with a family member with some form of cancer can be very hard, but going and playing football while said family member is sick is not heroic. It's just how life is.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:51 PM   #20
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STRENGTHS Physically imposing passer. Throws from the shotgun formation quite often, but is also effective on play action. Flashes the velocity to stretch the field and throw in tight spaces between defenders and on the sideline. Displays good touch on throws to each level of the field, finds receivers between defenders and drop passes over their head. Good athlete with the mobility to step up in the pocket to avoid pressure and take advantage of openings to pick up first downs with his feet. Quick release, though it often looks as though hes throwing darts on shorter throws. Intelligent, high character team leader.
WEAKNESSES Gives opponents too many chances for turnovers by forcing throws into coverage trying to make a play. Area code accuracy short throws are often low or wide, preventing receivers from making a play after the catch. Deep ball accuracy is uneven, as well. Gets happy feet under pressure, spins to the outside to avoid the rush. Inconsistent recognizing blitz. Must step into his throws more consistently to fully utilize his arm strength.

NFL COMPARISON Blaine Gabbert

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That comparison is off base and a serious reach by a writer that couldn't think of anything better.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:56 PM   #21
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:56 PM   #22
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That comparison is off base and a serious reach by a writer that couldn't think of anything better.
Of course he is. I mean after all, you just said hes nothing like Blaine Gabbert.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:57 PM   #23
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24-6 as a starter; won 4 consecutive bowl games? How so? I hear he is frustratingly inconsistent, but it seems like one way or another he finds ways to win. I'm just curious.
Checkout the NC State game in which Glennon "Shined"
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:58 PM   #24
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:00 PM   #25
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I've never fully understood the way of thinking that if a guy goes and plays football while he's dealing with a family issue that it's somehow heroic. An immediate family member death and then playing 5 days or less afterwards would be difficult.

But football is used as an escape from reality for some of these players just as much as it is from a fans standpoint. Dealing with a family member with some form of cancer can be very hard, but going and playing football while said family member is sick is not heroic. It's just how life is.
No one said he is heroic. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that having someone very close to you having cancer is very distracting. It doesn't mean that other people don't do a good job when someone they love gets cancer. However, not a whole lot of people do their job with hundreds of thousands of people rooting for you or against you--as a young man; those two pressures combined are greater than the sum of their respective parts. Personally, as much as I like Geno as a QB prospect, I don't think he handles pressure very well. He has a bad tendency to throw temper tantrums on the sideline that a lot of people on the board like to dismiss as being "competitive." Perhaps he is just being competitive, I don't know--it just doesn't come off that way to me.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:02 PM   #26
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Of course he is. I mean after all, you just said hes nothing like Blaine Gabbert.
They have some similarities. But I also see similarity in Manuel and Terrelle Pryor, or maybe a little bit of Flacco. That doesn't mean it's a legit comparison. Calling Manuel a poor mans Gabbert is off base.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:03 PM   #27
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No one said he is heroic. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that having someone very close to you having cancer is very distracting. It doesn't mean that other people don't do a good job when someone they love gets cancer. However, not a whole lot of people do their job with hundreds of thousands of people rooting for you or against you--as a young man; those two pressures combined are greater than the sum of their respective parts. Personally, as much as I like Geno as a QB prospect, I don't think he handles pressure very well. He has a bad tendency to throw temper tantrums on the sideline that a lot of people on the board like to dismiss as being "competitive." Perhaps he is just being competitive, I don't know--it just doesn't come off that way to me.
I just don't think it's something that needs to be taken into account and makes a guy a better prospect because of it. Everything else I get.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:03 PM   #28
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No one said he is heroic. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that having someone very close to you having cancer is very distracting. It doesn't mean that other people don't do a good job when someone they love gets cancer. However, not a whole lot of people do their job with hundreds of thousands of people rooting for you or against you--as a young man; those two pressures combined are greater than the sum of their respective parts. Personally, as much as I like Geno as a QB prospect, I don't think he handles pressure very well. He has a bad tendency to throw temper tantrums on the sideline that a lot of people on the board like to dismiss as being "competitive." Perhaps he is just being competitive, I don't know--it just doesn't come off that way to me.
Manuel is a 3 or 4th round prospect that will get pushed up based on the SR bowl, the combine and his raw skills.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:09 PM   #29
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I'll be pissed the guy is a choke artist
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... 2) He doesn't fold during big games. He is only the second college QB in history to win four straight bowl games...
I have never heard of E.J. Manuel being a "choke artist." what are you basing your claim on?
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I just don't think it's something that needs to be taken into account and makes a guy a better prospect because of it. Everything else I get.
I think maturity and the ability to handle adveristy will be really important for any QB selected this year. I odn't think any QB will have out of the box success; I think it will take time for this year's QBs to develop. If they have a history of handling adversity and are mature, I think they will develop into elite QBs over time.
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