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Old 02-22-2013, 10:34 PM  
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I'm calling it now: EJ Manuel will the #1 pick by the Chiefs

I know this won't be popular, but I think this will be the guy that the Chiefs pick as their franchise QB. There are a couple of reasons for this: 1) I think mentally and in terms of leadership, this guy will knock it out of the park at the combine. This guy knows real adversity. This past year he played ball and kept his head in the game even though his mother was battling cancer. 2) He doesn't fold during big games. He is only the second college QB in history to win four straight bowl games. 3) He played in a pro-style offense while at FSU. 4) He has the measurables to be a truly franchise QB-- he can both pass and run (if needed) giving our O an added dimension we hadn't had in the past. 5) He isn't afraid of competition; he went to the senior bowl and wound up MVP. 6) The guy is tough as nails; he played with a broken leg during the 2011 Champs Sports Bowl Game in a Victory over Notre Dame.

Yeah, he has quite a few negatives, and a lot of you just flat out hate him--but given Dorsey's comments about how impressed he was with Russell Wilson's interview last year--I think Manuel will give a similar impression of his leadership and maturity to coaches this year.

Reid isn't afraid to take a QB that others rate lower than the consensus; McNabb was the 4th rated QB in his class when Andy drafted him.

While at this point I'd still rather have Geno, I'm prepping myself to like Manuel as I think he has a chnace to be the dark horse pick by the Chiefs. (And no, he won't be there in the second round; I think the senior bowl and the combine will really elevate his stock.)
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:22 PM   #106
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The problem is that he's going on percentages.

Both guys threw beyond 10 yards roughly 25% of the time.

But when you look at their ATTEMPTS, Geno threw it more than 10 yards almost ONE HUNDRED more times in the last 2 years. He had 400 more pass attempts.

That's significant. VERY significant.

EJ Manuel had trouble moving the chains. That's a FACT.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:23 PM   #107
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The problem is that he's going on percentages.

Both guys threw beyond 10 yards roughly 25% of the time.

But when you look at their ATTEMPTS, Geno threw it more than 10 yards almost ONE HUNDRED more times in the last 2 years. He had 400 more pass attempts.

That's significant. VERY significant.

EJ Manuel had trouble moving the chains. That's a FACT.
You are comparing apples to oranges. I was talking about over 20 yards only.

Their respective gameplans called for them to throw deep the same relative percentage. Yes, Smith is going to have more overall completions (and incompletions) because he had more attempts.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:24 PM   #108
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Well, here's the thing.

This thread ISN'T ABOUT GENO.

It's about EJ Manuel.

But anytime you say anything critical about one of the QBs in the draft, the auto-answer is "well, Geno didn't..."

**** that. Yeah, I do like Geno. But that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my opinion on EJ ****ing Manuel.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:27 PM   #109
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And people wonder why I went from a relatively contributing poster to a hater.

It's because I came here to discuss QBs in the draft, and found out it's impossible to talk about anyone but Geno without a bunch of internet gangsters breaking out the lotion.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:27 PM   #110
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First downs in 2012:

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Also, according to CFBstats. EJ had 80 passes of 15+ yards and 32 that went 25+. Smith, with nearly 125 MORE attempts, had 80 passes of 15+ yards and 39 that went 25+.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:30 PM   #111
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Geno Smith is considered by 99% of people to be a top QB in this class.

All the stats you're posting about EJ Manuel are because you're trying to show how close and successful he is compared to Geno Smith.

Therefore....
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:32 PM   #112
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I think it's a moot point to compare EJ to Gino. we all know the Chiefs are probably not going to draft Gino with the number 1 pick. that being said, I think EJ should be in the conversation for that second rounder.

it just depends what quarterbacks are left.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:32 PM   #113
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Geno Smith is considered by 99% of people to be a top QB in this class.

All the stats you're posting about EJ Manuel are because you're trying to show how close and successful he is compared to Geno Smith.

Therefore....
And out of those 99%, I'd say about 98% also say he isn't worth a #1 pick.

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I think it's a moot point to compare EJ to Gino. we all know the Chiefs are probably not going to draft Gino with the number 1 pick. that being said, I think EJ should be in the conversation for that second rounder.

it just depends what quarterbacks are left.
*Geno. Come on. He's not a white guy from Jersey dancing to disco in the 70s.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:34 PM   #114
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And out of those 99%, I'd say about 98% also say he isn't worth a #1 pick.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:39 PM   #115
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Geno Smith is considered by 99% of people to be a top QB in this class.

All the stats you're posting about EJ Manuel are because you're trying to show how close and successful he is compared to Geno Smith.

Therefore....
You said I argued EJ was one of the top prospects in this draft. Where did I do that?
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How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:45 PM   #117
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How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?
Kap seems thinner and overall more athletic. A speed, athletic type of QB.

EJ strikes me as more of a thick built power QB. I can see the Culpepper comparison.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:45 PM   #118
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Kaepernick has enough physical tools to be viewed as a developmental backup quarterback prospect. Experienced, competitive, productive and durable but very raw in terms of making NFL reads and throws. Will need to become accustomed to making pro-style progressions and must improve overall accuracy. Arm strength is good but needs to tighten up his delivery and work on getting the ball out on time with more consistency. Can make a lot of plays with his feet but will be too confident at times and take unnecessary sacks. Kaepernick will likely attract a team with his measurables and outstanding intangibles. His stock has risen considerably with solid workouts, so expect him to be taken some time in the second to third round.
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Ugh... NFL.com compares Manuel to Blaine Gabbert.
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How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?
I don't think their run stats are/were close. EJ had around 300 yards rushing and Kap had about 1300 his SR year.
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