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Old 02-23-2013, 05:54 PM  
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Virginia USA Imam preaching violent Jihad

Guys name is Sheihk Shaker

Same guy who taught Anwar Al-Awlaki....

Same guy with connections to the Shoe Bomber & Fort Hood Shooter

"They already call you a terrorist, so you might as well be one!"


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Old 02-24-2013, 04:54 PM   #31
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Well, killing him would make him a hero because then he'd be a martyr. Deport him and we stay off their lands. Problem solved.
I don't support putting him away until he commits a crime. Right now it's speech. So either watch him or get rid of him.
Inciting a riot is a crime~
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:57 PM   #32
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Well, killing him would make him a hero because then he'd be a martyr. Deport him and we stay off their lands. Problem solved.
I don't support putting him away until he commits a crime. Even Americans who have said violent things, including on presidents, don't just get put in the slammer. Right now it's speech. So either watch him or get rid of him. We are a nation of lawsnot of men. That's in the Constitution btw.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:59 PM   #33
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The Supreme Court has ruled that threatening language loses First Amendment protection only if it is intended to communicate a "true threat" -- "a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals."

The court even held that the Constitution protects a statement like "If they ever make me carry a rifle, the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J.," said at an anti-war rally in the late 1960s. That was, the court held in a 1969 ruling -- Watts v. United States -- just rhetorical excess, not a true threat.

Likewise, "politics as combat" language doesn't strip speech of constitutional protection, if in context the speech can't reasonably be seen as a statement of intent to violently attack someone. And such language has been commonplace in American political life, from the early Republic to the present -- consider, for instance, President Barack Obama's line: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

What if the concern isn't that legislators will feel threatened by the use of combat imagery about them, but rather that some viewers might be moved by such statements to attack the politicians?

Even then, such speech would be constitutionally protected.

In a 1969 case -- Brandenburg v. Ohio -- the Supreme Court held that the First Amendment protects speech, even if there's a fear that the speech might promote violence sometime in the future. As the court put it, such language could only be punished if it was intended to incite "imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." "Imminent" here refers to action that is intended to happen in the next few hours or days, rather than at "some indefinite future time." (This is called the "incitement" exception to the First Amendment.)
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I'm sure this guy is being watched to see if he acts on this. Jihad means stuggle, btw.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:59 PM   #34
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Inciting a riot is a crime~
That depends....see my post before this.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:00 PM   #35
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Well, killing him would make him a hero because then he'd be a martyr. Deport him and we stay off their lands. Problem solved.
I don't support putting him away until he commits a crime. Even Americans who have said violent things, including on presidents, don't just get put in the slammer. Right now it's speech. So either watch him or get rid of him. We are a nation of lawsnot of men. That's in the Constitution btw.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:07 PM   #36
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That depends....see my post before this.
He is declaring a holy war. The United States is not an Islamic country. His preachings are for him and his followers to prepare for war against those who do not belief as he and his followers do. Pretty simple arrest him or kill him...I would prefer the latter~
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:10 PM   #37
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I went by the title, but have now played the video. I skipped through parts of it but he's talking about defending themselves from colonial powers. I mean he could be defending the 2nd Amendment even.

He talks about the post 9/11 atmosphere. He talks about being considered a terrorists already because they are a Muslim. But he also says " be a good Muslim, who spreads peace, when peace is to be received." But, "be a Muslim who fights back when there are attacks on yourself, your community, society, nation etc." Sounds like something we'd do.

It takes more than one side for a conflict to exist. Until we get military bases off their lands, this is not going to get better. Buy their oil and get out of there. I honestly believe that would go a long way to handling this problem.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:15 PM   #38
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He is declaring a holy war. The United States is not an Islamic country. His preachings are for him and his followers to prepare for war against those who do not belief as he and his followers do.
He did huh? Did you actually watch it? I just played the last third and I didn't see that. He called on Muslims to defend their faith but by going to Ethiopia to put their lives on the line to defend themselves from colonial powers. Doesn't sound like America to me.

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The Constitution was written to restrain such impulses in men. That's against the law. He has rights while he is in this country. Remember the Constitution refers to "persons" regarding due process.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:23 PM   #39
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He did huh? Did you actually watch it? I just played the last third and I didn't see that. He called on Muslims to defend their faith but by going to Ethiopia to put their lives on the line to defend themselves from colonial powers. Doesn't sound like America to me.


The Constitution was written to restrain such impulses in men. That's against the law. He has rights while he is in this country. Remember the Constitution refers to "persons" regarding due process.
Please give me a refresher on jihad, what am I missing?
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I went by the title, but have now played the video. I skipped through parts of it but he's talking about defending themselves from colonial powers. I mean he could be defending the 2nd Amendment even.

He talks about the post 9/11 atmosphere. He talks about being considered a terrorists already because they are a Muslim. But he also says " be a good Muslim, who spreads peace, when peace is to be received." But, "be a Muslim who fights back when there are attacks on yourself, your community, society, nation etc." Sounds like something we'd do.

It takes more than one side for a conflict to exist. Until we get military bases off their lands, this is not going to get better. Buy their oil and get out of there. I honestly believe that would go a long way to handling this problem.
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Ooooor.... Dowse him with Bacon and set him on fire.
You do that. You're the hog farmer.
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Please give me a refresher on jihad, what am I missing?
Jihad means struggle. He was talking about defense from colonial powers. And going into Ethiopia to defend themselves. I don't if you noticed or not, but we're in more then 140 countries. Even before 9/11. We've been building bases on their lands all during the 1990's. That's not Americanism. That's what European empires did. The people in our govt doing that, are the same ones screwing us Americans here at home economically and financially. Don't get your information from msm and tv only.
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Old 02-24-2013, 07:09 PM   #43
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He talks about the post 9/11 atmosphere. He talks about being considered a terrorists already because they are a Muslim. But he also says " be a good Muslim, who spreads peace, when peace is to be received."
Yes, be good when pace is to be received.....the Jihadis will decide when that is......otherwise they will "be first in line" to take up arms....
And just like listo, you fail to mention he says "they call you terrorists anyway, so make it worth it, give them a run for their money, make the TITLE worth it"

What do you think he means by that? I think he means, since they think you are a terrorist, you may as well strike terror into their hearts and take up arms....and fight. What do you think he means?


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But, "be a Muslim who fights back when there are attacks on yourself, your community, society, nation etc."
You "forgot" a few terms.....This is how dishonest you have to be to troll this side of the argument. You can't possibly be honest, otherwise you completely fail. You left out that he said it is cool to not have peace, and fight back when a muslim's honor, dignity or religion is "attacked". Why did you leave these terms out?

Are you saying you think it is ok to take up arms, not have peace, and do terrorism when , say, cartoons are published? Or other insults to islam, such as crappy you tube movies?

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Sounds like something we'd do.
Not anyone who actually believes in the 1st amendment....we do not allow people to do violence when they feel hurt by an insult. We do not allow a religion to take up arms and attack others who 'insult dignity.'

Again, you are totally dishonest.



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It takes more than one side for a conflict to exist. Until we get military bases off their lands, this is not going to get better. Buy their oil and get out of there. I honestly believe that would go a long way to handling this problem.
I agree with you in that we shouldn't have bases where we aren't wanted by an elected / internationally recognized government, but there are plenty of places where we are wanted except by extremists, who represent a small percent of the population....surely you aren't justifying violence in these cases too?
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Jihad means struggle. He was talking about defense from colonial powers. And going into Ethiopia to defend themselves. I don't if you noticed or not, but we're in more then 140 countries. Even before 9/11. We've been building bases on their lands all during the 1990's. That's not Americanism. That's what European empires did. The people in our govt doing that, are the same ones screwing us Americans here at home economically and financially. Don't get your information from msm and tv only.
Look sweetheart save your Ron Paul speech for someone who wants to hear it. I have put a fair amount of time looking into the beliefs of these simpleminded morons. It does not require occupation of countries or even wars to get reaction out of the followers of this faith. It only takes some cartoons or a novel. Save yourself the effort of babbling back with th PC not all musilims are bad bullshit. It unlike most religions has not had its fangs removed. It is a confrontational belief with designs on world compliance to the last and final religion~
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