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Old 02-25-2013, 06:38 PM  
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The First Lady is presenting awards for movies and offending idiots

The American Idol and his wife understand what placed Barry in office to begin with and continue doing the only thing they are really good for. In the process they offended Iran

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Iran's semi-official Fars news agency Photoshopped pictures of Michelle Obama at the Oscars to conform to Iranian restrictions on images of the female body in the media.

Fars, which is affiliated to the Islamic republic's elite Revolutionary Guards, redesigned the US first lady's dress so that it covered her chest and shoulders in a picture showing her announcing that Argo had won best picture, via a video link from the White House.

Rules dictate that Iranian women shown on Iran's state television should have a hijab that covers their hair, arms and legs. The length of the censor's ruler varies for foreigners. A foreign woman travelling inside the Islamic republic should comply with the same restriction on Iranian women, but those shown on TV, such as dignitaries or actors, are tolerated without the hijab, up to a point.

Men enjoy relatively more freedom, but only sportsmen are allowed to be shown with bare legs on TV.

When Iranian media are obliged to use a picture that contravenes these rules, it is not unusual for Photoshop to come to their rescue. Many foreign dignitaries and celebrities have fallen victim to the Islamic republic's censorship regime, including the EU's foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton.

When showing foreign films, state TV censors can go as far as editing the film frame by frame in order to cover up actors or delete them from a scene.

Fars was also infuriated by the Academy's decision to honour Argo, which it described as an "anti-Iranian" film produced by the "Zionist" company Warner Bros – an objection echoed by many other state agencies.

A large number of Iranians – even those not necessarily sympathetic to Ahmadinejad's regime – have taken to social networking websites to show discontent with Argo's win, which they believe stereotypes Iranians in a negative way without drawing a distinction between ordinary citizens and the revolutionaries behind the US hostage crisis.

In January, officials in Tehran said they were intending to retaliate to Argo by making their own film about the hostage crisis, to be called The General Staff, which is promised to be an "appropriate response" to Ben Affleck's "ahistorical" thriller.

Last year, Asghar Farhadi's film A Separation became the first Iranian film to win an Oscar – for best foreign language film – prompting national celebrations.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:13 AM   #76
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I wonder if advertisers were the least bit thrilled that a polarizing character like this was inserted into the broadcast. Normally, companies try to avoid any controversy.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:30 AM   #77
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I wonder if advertisers were the least bit thrilled that a polarizing character like this was inserted into the broadcast. Normally, companies try to avoid any controversy.
What was the controversy? They probably aren't too concerned with the feelings of a trivial number of psychotics who consider seeing the president's wife on an awards show to be "controversial."
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:33 AM   #78
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Looks like Dark Zero Thirty was humiliated at the Oscars.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:38 AM   #79
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Looks like Dark Zero Thirty was humiliated at the Oscars.
Not winning a movie award certainly is humiliating. Along with all the other movies that were nominated for something and didn't win, it is pure humiliation.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:39 AM   #80
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Yup, that CIA torture movie didn't win.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:54 AM   #81
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She was funny doing the mom dances on Jimmy Fallon.
Also, inappropriate for a First Lady, imo. Yeah, yeah, she was pushing her move campaign. But so what? Jane Fonda put out her own workout videos.
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:12 AM   #82
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Also, inappropriate for a First Lady, imo. Yeah, yeah, she was pushing her move campaign. But so what? Jane Fonda put out her own workout videos.
What is appropriate?
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:13 AM   #83
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. Look at the Lincoln nominations. A movie full of lies and propaganda since Lincoln was pro-slavery as the first 13th Amendment was the one he supported which was pro-slavery.
Do you actually believe this? Seriously? You are talking about an amendment in '61, when Lincoln was worried about losing boarder states, and thus the war. That amendment was an attempt to stop the Civil War from breaking out. Lincoln was not pro slavery, he was realistic.

I'd suggest History Lesson, starting with Lincoln quote "If we lose Kentucky, we lose the war.
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Since this conversation isn't actually interesting, I'll post something that is somewhat related and far more interesting/amusing...

Videos of a roast of Ronald Reagan done by some of the biggest golden age stars in tv/movies while he was governor of California.




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Old 02-26-2013, 08:28 AM   #85
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What is appropriate?
I don't think a head of state's wife should be doing popular TV skits. It's undignified.
You can figure the rest out.
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Do you actually believe this? Seriously? You are talking about an amendment in '61, when Lincoln was worried about losing boarder states, and thus the war. That amendment was an attempt to stop the Civil War from breaking out. Lincoln was not pro slavery, he was realistic.

I'd suggest History Lesson, starting with Lincoln quote "If we lose Kentucky, we lose the war.
No, I don't believe it. I KNOW it.

I see you've been heavily indoctrinated with politically correct history. I happen to know quite a bit about Lincoln. It's all over this forum if you care to look. We've discussed him at length. I don't plan on reposting them. It would take hours. I assure you that you are the one who needs a history lesson.

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It is a MYTH that Lincoln "toiled mightily in his last days to get a reluctant Congress to pass the Thirteenth Amendment " we currently have. He had nothing to do with its passage. He wanted to deport and colonize the freed slaves. He did try to pass what was an earlier 13th Amendment, called the Corwin Amendment which enshrined slavery.

Yet, the screenwriter defended it "to clarify to the audience the historical reality" of how the Thirteenth Amendment was passed which was just another falsehood. When caught red-handed on some other falsehood by a Connecticut congressman, Spielberg than claimed "artistic license."

Lincoln met with the South during the war, and told them they could keep their slaves if they would re-join the Union. Lincoln fought the war to preserve the Union. Zero Dark Thirty has falsehoods in it too. Spare me on the fact that some artistic license is taken in such films to create drama. I expect that. It's just this movie is fraudulent from the beginning. Completely upside down.

Oh, and Doris-Kearns Goodwin, (court historian) whose book it was based on, was kicked off the Pulitzer Prize committee for plagiarism.
Great team they put together.

Now schools are using this fraudulent film despite being told to correct some inaccuracies.
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No, I don't believe it. I KNOW it.

I see you've been heavily indoctrinated with politically correct history. I happen to know quite a bit about Lincoln. It's all over this forum if you care to look. We've discussed him at length. I don't plan on reposting them. It would take hours. I assure you that you are the one who needs a history lesson.

A few points starters:
It is a MYTH that Lincoln "toiled mightily in his last days to get a reluctant Congress to pass the Thirteenth Amendment " we currently have. He had nothing to do with its passage. He wanted to deport and colonize the freed slaves. He did try to pass what was an earlier 13th Amendment, called the Corwin Amendment which enshrined slavery.

Yet, the screenwriter defended it "to clarify to the audience the historical reality" of how the Thirteenth Amendment was passed which was just another falsehood. When caught red-handed on some other falsehood by a Connecticut congressman, Spielberg than claimed "artistic license."

Lincoln met with the South during the war, and told them they could keep their slaves if they would re-join the Union. Lincoln fought the war to preserve the Union. Zero Dark Thirty has falsehoods in it too. Spare me on the fact that some artistic license is taken in such films to create drama. I expect that. It's just this movie is fraudulent from the beginning. Completely upside down.

Now schools are using this fraudulent film despite being told to correct some inaccuracies.
I don't care about movies. But you are wrong on Lincolns view of slavery.

And you are right, I am not going to take the time to explain fully explain why you are wrong. I just suggest that you stop seeing the world through black and white. - all pro or all anti slavery. The Corwin amendment, in 1961, did not represent the complete view of Lincoln on Slavery. Besides, He was not going to take any action on slavery until late in the war, when he had boarder states squarely in union control.

Again, he had to keep the support of Boarder states. All actions taken regarding slavery has to be view through the idea of keeping as many states as possible in the union. Failure to understand this, which you are doing, is a failure to understand the war as a whole.

Have you read "The Fiery Trail - Abraham Lincoln and American slavery" By Eric Foner? Winner of the Pultizer Prize? Or is that political correct history?
Start with that book. If you have indeed studied Lincoln, you should enjoy it.

Here is a little quote from page 158 of that book where it talks about the amendment at his inaugural address in 61: "Lincoln reiterated at the outset that he had neither power nor inclination to interfere with slavery where it existed... Near the end, he took note of the proposed constitutional amendment permanently barring federal interference with slavery, stating that since it simply made explicit what was already implied constitutional law, he had no objections to its passage. Lincoln and other Republicans had always assumed slavery would end by state action, which the amendment did nothing to inhibit." (Foner 158)

"I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel." Abraham Lincoln, April 1864

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I don't care about movies. But you are wrong on Lincolns view of slavery.
Nope.

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people . . . . I as much as any man am in favor of the superior position assigned to the white race."

~ Abraham Lincoln, First Lincoln-Douglas Debate, Ottawa, Illinois, Sept. 18, 1858, in The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln vol.3, pp. 145-146.
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And you are right, I am not going to take the time to explain fully explain why you are wrong. I just suggest that you stop seeing the world through black and white. - all pro or all anti slavery. The Corwin amendment, in 1961, did not represent the complete view of Lincoln on Slavery. Besides, He was not going to take any action on slavery until late in the war, when he had boarder states squarely in union control.

Again, he had to keep the support of Boarder states. All actions taken regarding slavery has to be view through the idea of keeping as many states as possible in the union. Failure to understand this, which you are doing, is a failure to understand the war as a whole.

Have you read "The Fiery Trail - Abraham Lincoln and American slavery" By Eric Foner? Winner of the Pultizer Prize? Or is that political correct history?
Start with that book. If you have indeed studied Lincoln, you should enjoy it.

Here is a little quote from page 158 of that book where it talks about the amendment at his inaugural address in 61: "Lincoln reiterated at the outset that he had neither power nor inclination to interfere with slavery where it existed... Near the end, he took note of the proposed constitutional amendment permanently barring federal interference with slavery, stating that since it simply made explicit what was already implied constitutional law, he had no objections to its passage. Lincoln and other Republicans had always assumed slavery would end by state action, which the amendment did nothing to inhibit." (Foner 158)

"I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel." Abraham Lincoln, April 1864
Nope you're still wrong. There's a lot omitted here. But one that must be mentioned is that Lincoln was a shrewd politician and said things to different audiences to appeal to them. There's other quotes by him. This includes using religious passages when he was likely an atheist. I go by deeds—not words alone.

You're also wrong about me seeing "the world" through B&W since I have posted about not relying on two-valued logic before. Lincoln happens to be the most whitewashed of all presidents by many authors. Kearns has whitewashed many of them with her fawning hagiographics on FDR, Kennedy, LBJ and Lincoln.

Seriously, I am skeptical about a book with "the fiery trail" in the title. Sounds like it justifies Lincoln's force and violence. I prefer something that questions the statist versions. Like Lincoln Unmasked by DiLorenzo who has written several on Lincoln and was consulted for the movie Gangs of New York. Ya' know the one where Lincoln shot war/draft protestors. You do know he shut down printing presses critical of his war too, right? That he jailed congressmen opposed to his war and even tried to arrest Justice Taney because he wouldn't allow Lincoln to suspend Habeas Corpus. Lincoln governed like a tyrant and a thug. He was no role-model or hero—another problem with the movie. No wonder this film got a subsidy.
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O.M.G I am looking up Foner's book. Foner is a hard-core leftist ( aka liar ) and another member of the Lincoln Cult. A genuine Lincoln scholar would be David Donald.

Per the author of The Real Lincoln -diLorenzo

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The overwhelming majority of works on Lincoln judge him by his words and not his deeds. Any politician could be made to look like a saint with that methodology. And when some of his more dastardly deeds, such as micromanaging the waging of war on fellow citizens, are mentioned they are always obscured by a mountain of hollow excuses, rationales, cover-ups, and justifications.

The Lincoln cultists and court historians fancy themselves as gatekeepers of The Official Truth. They connive, network, and politic to censor opposing viewpoints, and often behave in a crude and boorish manner in doing so. [ Yup they go berserk over DiLorenzo and Tom Woods just like you reacted to my post.]


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Nope.

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people . . . . I as much as any man am in favor of the superior position assigned to the white race."

~ Abraham Lincoln, First Lincoln-Douglas Debate, Ottawa, Illinois, Sept. 18, 1858, in The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln vol.3, pp. 145-146.


Nope you're still wrong. There's a lot omitted here. But one that must be mentioned is that Lincoln was a shrewd politician and said things to different audiences to appeal to them. There's other quotes by him. This includes using religious passages when he was likely an atheist. I go by deeds—not words alone.

You're also wrong about me seeing "the world" through B&W since I have posted about not relying on two-valued logic before. Lincoln happens to be the most whitewashed of all presidents by many authors. Kearns has whitewashed many of them with her fawning hagiographics on FDR, Kennedy, LBJ and Lincoln.

Seriously, I am skeptical about a book with "the fiery trail" in the title. Sounds like it justifies Lincoln's force and violence. I prefer something that questions the statist versions. Like Lincoln Unmasked by DiLorenzo who has written several on Lincoln and was consulted for the movie Gangs of New York. Ya' know the one where Lincoln shot war/draft protestors. You do know he shut down printing presses critical of his war too, right? That he jailed congressmen opposed to his war and even tried to arrest Justice Taney because he wouldn't allow Lincoln to suspend Habeas Corpus. Lincoln governed like a tyrant and a thug. He was no role-model or hero—another problem with the movie. No wonder this film got a subsidy.

You are confusing typical 1860 racism with being anti slavery. Many anti-slavery persons were still racist.

You also continue to take a one sided angle to history, as is evident by your explanation of Lincoln suspending hubeas Corpus. Yes, I do know about that. He did it only in Maryland at the start of the war to keep Maryland(a Boarder state) from maybe joining the confederates. If Maryland left the union, Washington D.C. would effectively be cut off from the rest of the union. Do I completely agree with it, no. Can the question be asked, " is that the barest minimum necessary to keep the union in tact" maybe.

Why didn't Lincoln do that to Kentucky or Missouri? Because it wasn't as necessary as in Maryland to protect the Union.

Also, the jailing of people had plenty of precedent from earlier administrations.

I am not trying to argue that Lincoln didn't have flaws. I am saying that is completely wrong to say that Lincoln was pro slavery, even if he had racist leanings.
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