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Old 02-27-2013, 10:59 AM  
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Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs

Well, it looks like the deal is done.



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Old 08-27-2013, 03:05 PM   #5581
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as for staggering... depends on your threshold of what 'staggering' is.
There have been 106 QB's drafted in round one since 1967. That's nearly double the amount taken in any other round.

It would require a massive amount of research to figure out how many were drafted/signed beyond the current 7th round configuration since.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:07 PM   #5582
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Guys like Staubach, Unitas, Starr, Warner, Johnson, etc. were either drafted beyond the 7th round or signed as free agents.

There isn't a "staggering" number of free agent QB signings. Hell, there have only been 55 QB's taken in the second round since 1967, three of which have won a Super Bowl.
How many FA QBs sign with a team after the draft and then never stick on a roster? That number has to be very sizable.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:09 PM   #5583
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How many FA QBs sign with a team after the draft and then never stick on a roster? That number has to be very sizable.
that's just it... in my quick/dirty bit of math, I assumed an average of 2.5 stick every year with the team for at least a year. that's NOT including those that sign but don't stick--if you double that, it's 230 since 1967. hell, it could even be more than that.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:10 PM   #5584
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Trivia Question: Staubach was drafted by which NFL and AFL team in the 10th round of each league's respective draft?
Chiefs drafted Staubach in the 16th round actually.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:11 PM   #5585
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Chiefs drafted Staubach in the 16th round actually.
Interesting. Wiki says 10th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:12 PM   #5586
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Chiefs drafted Staubach in the 16th round actually.
Whoa... wouldn't that have been a beautiful thing.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:12 PM   #5587
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Whoa... wouldn't that have been a beautiful thing.
we also drafted gale sayers IIRC
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:13 PM   #5588
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we also drafted gale sayers IIRC
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:15 PM   #5589
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that's just it... in my quick/dirty bit of math, I assumed an average of 2.5 stick every year with the team for at least a year. that's NOT including those that sign but don't stick--if you double that, it's 230 since 1967. hell, it could even be more than that.
I'm sorry but I think that number is way out of whack.

You'd have to prove it instead of speculate for me to believe that, especially since there have only been a total of 69 QB's taken in the seventh round since 1967.

In rounds two, three and four you're talking 55, 57 and 67 respectively.

I can't imagine a number like 230 guys making a roster as undrafted or late round picks, especially in the days when football players worked normal jobs out of season.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:15 PM   #5590
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Interesting. Wiki says 10th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/StauRo00.htm
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:17 PM   #5591
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I wonder which is correct? I'd tend to lean towards that site over Wiki.

Could you imagine if Staubach had signed with the Chiefs? Dawson and Staubach on the same roster?
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:18 PM   #5592
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that's just it... in my quick/dirty bit of math, I assumed an average of 2.5 stick every year with the team for at least a year. that's NOT including those that sign but don't stick--if you double that, it's 230 since 1967. hell, it could even be more than that.
Yep, the numbers are indeed staggering.

Take '13 as an example. In the draft, 11 QBs were selected. After the draft 19 UDFA QBs signed with teams.

Multiply this out and consider the odds of becoming a "franchise QB" when starting as an UDFA are abysmal.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:19 PM   #5593
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I wonder which is correct? I'd tend to lean towards that site over Wiki.

Could you imagine if Staubach had signed with the Chiefs? Dawson and Staubach on the same roster?
It would have been a nice transition at the end of Dawson's career into Staubach's. Remember the only reason he lasted until he did was because he was a Naval officer and had to serve 5 years in Vietnam before he could play football.
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God Almighty... from Dawson right into Staubach, that's as lucky as going from Manning to Luck.

And could've thrown in Sayers to boot.
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Yep, the numbers are indeed staggering.

Take '13 as an example. In the draft, 11 QBs were selected. After the draft 19 UDFA QBs signed with teams.

Multiply this out and consider the odds of becoming a "franchise QB" when starting as an UDFA are abysmal.
Signed and making the cut are two different things altogether.

It costs teams a pittance to sign undrafted players as opposed to signing and drafting. In most cases, players barely get a signing bonus, if at all.
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