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Old 02-27-2013, 12:45 PM  
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:16 PM   #856
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No shit. Between Reid or Fox, there isn't really a choice to be made.
Meh, John Fox is a good enough coach. He's nothing special. I guess his one strength is he let's his coordinators do their thing. But he doesn't really have an identity. At least with Reid, we get an offensive guru. I'm by no means a huge fan of Andy Reid. He wasn't my top choice. But I'd much rather have him than fox.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:19 PM   #857
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The only SF teams that ran more than they passed since Alex came into the league were 2005, 2011, and 2012.

Both Nolan and Singletary tried to use Alex to pass as the first option. They both failed and were subsequently fired. I'm sure it will work this time, though.
Singletary was run run pass punt, run run pass punt, until the running game was obviously out of the equation.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:20 PM   #858
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No shit. Between Reid or Fox, there isn't really a choice to be made.
Of course there is. We've got the best HC in the division now....not the guy that takes a knee with a HOF QB.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:24 PM   #859
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Singletary was run run pass punt, run run pass punt, until the running game was obviously out of the equation.
you cant explain it to people Doug. You really cant. You know why? Because they didn't watch the games. They didn't watch the first half be, predictable run, predictable run, try to throw for first down, to where you are trailing by 14+ at half time, and you have to try to throw yourself back into it.

They don't understand the philosophy, and the way it was done. You and I saw it. We saw how when Alex Smith took over the second half of 09, and Jimmy Raye was actually able to use the Shot gun, and pass some, we saw glimpses of what Alex could be. Then what happened? They drafted Iupati, and Anthony Davis that offseason, and he shoved alex smith right back under center again, fired Jimmy Raye, and got himself canned. I love the idea that someone says that Alex Smith was a pass first qb at ANY time under any head coach until now. That is laughable to me.
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you cant explain it to people Doug. You really cant. You know why? Because they didn't watch the games. They didn't watch the first half be, predictable run, predictable run, try to throw for first down, to where you are trailing by 14+ at half time, and you have to try to throw yourself back into it.
Nope. Chiefs fans wouldn't understand this at all.
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Nope. Chiefs fans wouldn't understand this at all.
Chiefs fans could understand what Alex Smith was doing in San Francisco without watching?

How is that possible. On more than One occasion, I have been told that I don't know shit about Chiefs football, and what their fans have been through. Now, all of a sudden Chiefs fans have watched every single 49ers game like I have over the past 20 years, and understand what Nolan Singletary, who were just called PASS FIRST COACHES did. And my statement is ridiculous?

Lol....
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:43 PM   #862
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Chiefs fans could understand what Alex Smith was doing in San Francisco without watching?

How is that possible. On more than One occasion, I have been told that I don't know shit about Chiefs football, and what their fans have been through. Now, all of a sudden Chiefs fans have watched every single 49ers game like I have over the past 20 years, and understand what Nolan Singletary, who were just called PASS FIRST COACHES did. And my statement is ridiculous?

Lol....
I was referring to the part I quoted.

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They must be restricting it to a certain time period, because over his career he's 15-19 when throwing 30 times or more.

However, that's a bit misleading, because 30 attempts per game is not much. Last season the entire league averaged 35 attempts per game. Alex is 4-13 when throwing 35 times or more.
yes, it could be he used the final 2 seasons or something like that.

according to your post, 15 - 19 is a drastically different stat than 4 - 13. and again, you are talking about a QB that played for Mike Nolan his first 3 years & Mike Singletary his next 3 seasons. the epitome of fail offense those two coaches were.

Reid will have Smith throwing something in that area of 35 passes per game, but it will be more like Walsh's WCO style, not a Coryell style like he was in with Harbaugh. two very different passing offenses imo.

having Jamaal on the offense is going to change the game for Reid. Also, Reid is going to ground it just like any other HC when he's got a lead.
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Singletary was run run pass punt, run run pass punt, until the running game was obviously out of the equation.
The running game has never been out of the equation in KC. RRPP, RRPP, oh crap, we're behind by 21, RRD(raw)P, RRDP, RRDP....
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Unfortunately, I forgot to take sacks into account before when I was talking about the 49ers being a pass first team. This lead me to mistakenly include 2005 as a season in which they ran more than they passed. The truth is that the 49ers passed more than they ran every season between 2005-2010.

In both 2007 and 2009, over 60% of the playcalls were passes.

Conversely, Harbaugh has called more runs than passes in both of his seasons. Suddenly Alex looked better.
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Unfortunately, I forgot to take sacks into account before when I was talking about the 49ers being a pass first team. This lead me to mistakenly include 2005 as a season in which they ran more than they passed. The truth is that the 49ers passed more than they ran every season between 2005-2010.

In both 2007 and 2009, over 60% of the playcalls were passes.

Conversely, Harbaugh has called more runs than passes in both of his seasons. Suddenly Alex looked better.
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Unfortunately, I forgot to take sacks into account before when I was talking about the 49ers being a pass first team. This lead me to mistakenly include 2005 as a season in which they ran more than they passed. The truth is that the 49ers passed more than they ran every season between 2005-2010.

In both 2007 and 2009, over 60% of the playcalls were passes.

Conversely, Harbaugh has called more runs than passes in both of his seasons. Suddenly Alex looked better.
What were the Niners' W/L records during those years? How many of the those games were the Niners down by two or more scores at halftime?
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What were the Niners' W/L records during those years? How many of the those games were the Niners down by two or more scores at halftime?
Knock yourself out:

www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/
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Knock yourself out:
That was a rhetorical question.
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Unfortunately, I forgot to take sacks into account before when I was talking about the 49ers being a pass first team. This lead me to mistakenly include 2005 as a season in which they ran more than they passed. The truth is that the 49ers passed more than they ran every season between 2005-2010.

In both 2007 and 2009, over 60% of the playcalls were passes.

Conversely, Harbaugh has called more runs than passes in both of his seasons. Suddenly Alex looked better.
I don't think it was the diff in the amount of passes these staffs asked Alex Smith to throw, those stas are not very different compared with w/l stats of the same periods.

imo the diff is in the poor quality players Smith was playing along with during the Nolan/Singletary seasons compared with the better players he fielded along with during the Harbaugh seasons plus the offensive systems themselves were quite different.

Nolan/Singletary were your RRPP types, very predictable play calling and poor execution by poor quality players. Harbaugh is a guy that will challenge a defense with a pass on first or/and second downs, until you stack the zones with nickel D etc, then he will line up the pistol and **** with your defense -- this imo, along with personnel improvements around Smith and Smith himself became a much better football player -- these are the things that make AS a different QB with Harbaugh compared with the other HC's Smith was playing for.
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