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Old 12-02-2013, 05:08 PM   #9601
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I'm not giving the defense a pass. They played like garbage each of the past two weeks. They played pretty well in Denver.

Alex Smith's history makes it pretty clear the Chiefs should not expect to win any games that turn into shootouts (or even moderately approach that territory). Last week could have been an exception to Smith's normal career trends if the defense doesn't crap its pants.
Well I wasn't talking about you in general but there are some who always make it out that Alex is to blame when the defense shits the bed. I just don't understand that logic at all. When the defense is laying an egg and the offense is producing then you need to upgrade the defense not the QB spot like some suggest.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:12 PM   #9602
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Well I wasn't talking about you in general but there are some who always make it out that Alex is to blame when the defense shits the bed. I just don't understand that logic at all. When the defense is laying an egg and the offense is producing then you need to upgrade the defense not the QB spot like some suggest.
Your definition of "producing" must be considerably different than mine.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:15 PM   #9603
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Alex Smith's history makes it pretty clear the Chiefs should not expect to win any games that turn into shootouts
Pretty damn stupid to take a TEAM stat like this and judge the QB off of it. It may be a TEAM stat that involves only the games this particular QB played in... but it still involved a TEAM to determine such a stat.


Alex got the same type of receiver play in SF that he got from KC in last Sunday's game. Add in the remarkably potato coaching prior to Harbaugh... and the true reasons for such a stat become more clear. Even with Harbaugh, our offense was just beginning to evolve.

And no.. it also involves some blame for the QB... but when your receivers are not built to come from behind... when your gameplans are never designed around quick-score shoot-outs... when you never really had a good pass pro OL.... yeah... great recipe for coming back in high score games.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:16 PM   #9604
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Your definition of "producing" must be considerably different than mine.
The Chiefs scored 38 points and 28 points the last 2 weeks I call that producing

They still lost.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:18 PM   #9605
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The Chiefs scored 38 points and 28 points the last 2 weeks I call that producing

They still lost.
We scored 21 offensive points.

That is not going to be enough to beat Peyton. Even at home.

The defense is what it is. We won games this year when Alex played like total dog shit. Now the shoe is on the other foot, why can't he take advantage of two red zone opportunities?

Same as it ever was, though.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:19 PM   #9606
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Well I wasn't talking about you in general but there are some who always make it out that Alex is to blame when the defense shits the bed. I just don't understand that logic at all. When the defense is laying an egg and the offense is producing then you need to upgrade the defense not the QB spot like some suggest.
Defense needs upgrades at rush LB (need a viable third guy to provide depth and also keep Houston and Hali fresh) and CB.

But the rush LB is not a high dollar/high slot upgrade. You find a guy that fits what you do and draft the replacement. Or maybe pick up a guy who hasn't been schemed into that role yet but is a potential fit. It's a LUXURY upgrade.

The CB, looks like more of a need, though it appeared KC was set when the pass rush was dominating early in the year.

The offense has a lot more problems. QB, WR, OL, TE.

It's not Alex Smith's fault when the defense kicks rocks, not directly. Only thing you could even remotely say is that if they'd kept the second round pick and used it on a rush OLB or CB there, the defense would be better.

I wouldn't argue that.

Ultimately, as far as crying for a QB upgrade before defensive upgrades... QB is the single most important position and also the hardest to find a solution at. Therefore, more resources must be invested in finding an upgrade. The Chiefs other upgrade needs are much easier to locate.
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Pretty damn stupid to take a TEAM stat like this and judge the QB off of it. It may be a TEAM stat that involves only the games this particular QB played in... but it still involved a TEAM to determine such a stat.


Alex got the same type of receiver play in SF that he got from KC in last Sunday's game. Add in the remarkably potato coaching prior to Harbaugh... and the true reasons for such a stat become more clear. Even with Harbaugh, our offense was just beginning to evolve.

And no.. it also involves some blame for the QB... but when your receivers are not built to come from behind... when your gameplans are never designed around quick-score shoot-outs... when you never really had a good pass pro OL.... yeah... great recipe for coming back in high score games.
Anther example of having it both ways. When the Chiefs win wins are a team stat. When they lose it's "Alex Smith's career record is this when the opponent scores over 24 points"
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When they lose it's "Alex Smith's career record is this when the opponent scores over 24 points"
Out of all those games, and losses, there is only one common denominator over Alex's eight years.

Alex.
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Pretty damn stupid to take a TEAM stat like this and judge the QB off of it. It may be a TEAM stat that involves only the games this particular QB played in... but it still involved a TEAM to determine such a stat.


Alex got the same type of receiver play in SF that he got from KC in last Sunday's game. Add in the remarkably potato coaching prior to Harbaugh... and the true reasons for such a stat become more clear. Even with Harbaugh, our offense was just beginning to evolve.

And no.. it also involves some blame for the QB... but when your receivers are not built to come from behind... when your gameplans are never designed around quick-score shoot-outs... when you never really had a good pass pro OL.... yeah... great recipe for coming back in high score games.
So wins are only a team stat now?

But... 29-6-1
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We scored 21 offensive points.
Beat me to it.

14 independent points. The "egg laying defense" gave the offense a 22 yard field to work with for another 7 points.
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Out of all those games, and losses, there is only one common denominator over Alex's eight years.

Alex.
And the defense sucking

And that doesn't change the fact that you want to have it both ways when they win it's a team stat when they lose it's a Alex stat
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Out of all those games, and losses, there is only one common denominator over Alex's eight years.

Alex.
IF only we had Geno.. That's right you jumped off that bandwagon. Alex was the best QB on the market this off season and the Chiefs got there man. It's that simple.
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So wins are only a team stat now?

But... 29-6-1
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And the defense sucking

And that doesn't change the fact that you want to have it both ways when they win it's a team stat when they lose it's a Alex stat
General wins are a team stat. The most marginal NFL starting QB in the game can win with a great defense and special teams against bad and mediocre opponents, if he protects the football.

The 2-30-1 stat adds some context and predictors to what Alex Smith-piloted offenses do when the opposing team puts up even a slightly above-average offensive performance.

Even if you limit it to just the past 3 years - when Alex Smith has had good teams around him - he's merely 2-6-1 in those games, with the two wins coming against teams with bad defenses (2011 Rams and 2011 Saints).
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