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Old 02-28-2013, 08:29 AM  
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I'm going to make a lot of you ill with this thread

I wanted Geno Smith as much as anyone here. But I'm an it is what it is guy. So I started last night trying to find some kind of bright side to this whole fiasco. I've written the following piece, and am looking forward to being skewered for it.

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The Alex Smith Experiment

Let it be known, I was in mourning all day yesterday. I had hitched my wagons so tightly to Geno Smith or some other young, QB stud coming out of this year's draft class that I never could bring myself to believe that the brilliant Andy Reid, and John Dorsey would actually trade for Alex Smith. Then they did. And I was crushed. I whined, complained, and proclaimed I could no longer care about this team. But I was born and raised inside the walls of this Kingdom. I could never pack my bags and walk away.

So I started thinking about what all of this meant. The first thing that came to mind was that it was obvious our new leadership didn't see what I saw in this year's crop of field generals. They agreed with the majority of people out there saying there was very, very little to be excited about out of the QB's entering the NFL this year. It also occurred to me that they must have thought very highly of Alex Smith considering the compensation that is being rumored to be given up for him. And I wondered if all the work we put in with Save Our Chiefs last year was in vein.

I mean, we've seen this movie. Over, and over, and over again. This is the 5th 49er retread this franchise has brought in for us over the last 25 years. And the great Joe Montana was the only one that has provided us with a playoff win. So naturally my thought process was “Here we go again! New Chiefs, same as the old Chiefs!”

Then I started doing my homework and watching the last couple of years of Alex Smith. This is a what have you done for me lately league, so I wasn't really worried about his first few years in the league. Coaching changes year after year, and no real continuity was what greeted him to the league. Jim Harbaugh came in and 2011 Alex Smith made some instant strides. I saw some things out of him that have now convinced me that this time the sequel could be better than the original. Here are some reasons I believe Alex Smith can help lead us to the promised land.

1. Leadership. Probably the most important thing a QB has to have, and something that has lacked in KC for the last couple of years. 2012 was a huge indicator of that. The Chiefs didn't believe in their QB and their play reflected it. On both sides of the ball. Alex Smith didn't have a contract with the 49ers the year of the lockout. Yet it was widely reported he still got his hands on Jim Harbaugh's new playbook and organized practices with his teammates. They rallied around him, and the proof is in the pudding. A muffed punt away from the Super Bowl.

2. Clutch. He has it. Tons of it. The biggest indicator was in his first playoff game. Back and forth, and they fell behind with around a minute left in the game. Alex marched them down the field and on a 3rd and 3 with his team in field goal position, he made his best pass of the entire game to score the game winning TD. On the biggest stage of his life. His coach could've easily played it safe and went for over time, but he believed in Alex. And that belief paid off with a win.

3. Field awareness. I watched a lot of tape. When Alex got loose of the pocket and had to scramble, he knew where the first down marker was. I watched him twist, and turn. Take hits, and deliver hits to get to that first down marker. No fetal position from Alex Smith. He went for it. Consistantly.

4. Progressions. I watched him go through progressions when he needed too. I haven't seen a lot of Alex locking onto a guy and just winging it in there regardless of coverage. That said, I've also seen him wing that ball in between two defenders where only his guy can catch the ball. And there's enough strength in his throws that the ball is there before the defender can respond too it.

5. Coaching. It took an elite coach to get the very best out of Alex Smith. And when he received that, he excelled instantaneously. What better coach, or situation could Alex Smith go to right now and replicate that success? There isn't one. This is it. Coach Reid, and our squad has the talent to put around Alex, and the ability to give him further insight, and tutilege to enhance, and grow his game.

6. Intangibles. This guy has a fire burning inside of him right now. He finally, finally got a head coach who was able to work with him, and he learned the system. He took his team to the brink of the Super Bowl and didn't get there due to no fault of his own. The very moment he was hurt, he was yanked, replaced, and watched his team go to the same spot that he himself probably could've led them too. He's the hungriest man in professional football right now, maybe in all of professional sports. He has something to prove, and he has a chip on his shoulder. And the way he conducted himself throughout that entire process as it unfolded last year was the mark of a leader.

7. History. Time and time again we've seen the stats that 1st round QB's win Super Bowls. We have not only a 1st round QB in Alex, but the very first pick in the draft. This is what we all wanted. Not how we envisioned it, but history is now on our side.

So there you have it. I've gone through mourning, and I've done my homework. I believe in our coach, and our new general manager, and I do not believe this in any way, shape, or form is remniscent of Scott *****, and the moves he made when he came to Kansas City. And I think that is truly our biggest fear. Because this move looks SO closely like the one Scooter made when he came to town, that we are all going to be relegated to that kind of failure over the next half decade.

I just don't think so. I think we have a former number 1 overall pick, that was the consensus number 1 at the time. This isn't a guy who backed up Matt Leinart in college. He played, and he played well. And again, this is a what have you done for me lately league. Alex has grown immensely in the last 2-3 years and has shown he has the ability to make the plays, make the throws, use his legs, and win when the game is on the line.

This is the new face of the franchise. Join me in optimism. Let this Kingdom stand tall, and proud, and root our warriors onto victory. We have our field general. And he's proven recently that he has the ability to lead our troops to victory.

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Old 02-28-2013, 09:10 AM   #46
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Very nice...About time somebody around here is using some Logic and common sense.
Why can't Clark and the front office use some logic and common sense? Is that too much to ask?
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:12 AM   #47
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Hey, as a fan, I'm going to say the same thing I said with Cassel. I hope it works out.

I thought Cassel would flame out from day one. I was right. I hope I'm wrong about Smith.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:12 AM   #48
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Well, I said when we got Reid that I'd give him a chance. This move doesn't feel overwhelmingly good, and it DOES feel Pioli-esque, but what the hell. I'm in. For now.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:13 AM   #49
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I agree with this thread in a sense where Alex Smith thrived under good coaching.

This trade may seem like shades of Matt Cassel part two all over again, but, at least the situation is a bit different in that Alex Smith will be put in the similar situation to the one he had in San Francisco playing in a west coast offense under the tutelage of good coaching. He'll have the same sort of thing here in KC. Which kinda makes me feel abit optimistic about the move.

People may really hate this move, but at the end of the day it was really about Andy Reid finding that QB suitable for the west coast offense he wants to run here. That's the way I perceive this move at the very least tbh
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:14 AM   #50
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Go and actually look for yourself what Alice has done the last 2 yrs when he's been "good". He's terrible.
Well, according to the crawler across the bottom of the ESPN broadcast, the 49ers were either 19-5 or 17-5 over the last two years with Alex Smith under center. That's better than anything we've had in recent memory.

I agree with the gent who said we should swap 1st rounders with another team aching for the Nr1 pick and recoup our second rounder. We still could pick up a QBOF later in the 1st round. Or, we could pick up that Trayvon fellow out of WV to provide another target for Smith. There's lots of options, and the Chiefs are still in command of their destiny.

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Old 02-28-2013, 09:15 AM   #51
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I'm not pissed at Alex Smith the player. I accepted the fact as soon as the rumors started that he was probably coming here. I'm pissed at the compensation that we gave up and how it basically ****s us when it comes to the draft.....just like 2009.
Yep.

Alex Smith is fine if you want to get back to the glory years of rarely below .500, rarely above 10 wins. It's a safe move, and you don't have to deal with the possibility of a rookie QB turning the ball over.

But it demonstrates yet again a complete lack of forward thinking, and we're paying out the nose for a guy nobody wanted for free. So basically we've changed the names on the office door, and nothing else.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:17 AM   #52
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I'm not pissed at Alex Smith the player. I accepted the fact as soon as the rumors started that he was probably coming here. I'm pissed at the compensation that we gave up and how it basically ****s us when it comes to the draft.....just like 2009.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:17 AM   #53
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I forgot one of my bullet points, and I'm adding it to the OP. I knew the clutch thing was going to come up, and I used that moment for a reason. Even while struggling, he made the very best pass of the game at the precise moment it mattered most. That is the very definition of clutch. I'm not as down on him as I was Cassel. I still don't love the trade, but I loathed the fact that we brought in Cassel and I was adament about it from the start. I can at least see some kind of upside to Alex Smith. I couldn't say that with Matt Cassel on any level.
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Well, according to the crawler across the bottom of the ESPN broadcast, the 49ers were either 19-5 or 17-5 over the last two years with Alex Smith under center. That's better than anything we've had in recent memory.

I agree with the gent who said we should swap 1st rounders with another team aching for the Nr1 pick and recoup our second rounder. We still could pick up a QBOF later in the 1st round. Or, we could pick up that Trayvon fellow out of WV to provide another target for Smith. There's lots of options, and the Chiefs are still in command of their destiny.

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We have a game manager, at best, as our starting QB. Nobody is going to give us and decent trade for our #1 pick. In short we are screwed.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:18 AM   #56
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I might get hell for this but oh well, as much as I hated seeing us trading for Alex Smith we as Chiefs fans need to trust Andy Reid and John Dorsey, at least give it a chance, who know it may workout, it may not, you just never know.
I'm seriously tired of this ****ing bullshit argument.

I did that in 2009 and got the last 4 years as a ****ing reward for doing it. Do you think that the Lions fans sat there and did the whole...."well...he drafted another WR....he knows what he's doing!"? It's a ****ing bullshit argument by the fans who love 8-8 and having fun at a tailgate.

Fool me once....shame on you. Fool me twice....shame on me.

Andy Reid and John Dorsey don't get my undivided devotion. I don't care if people think that's not fair and that I'm not a fan of this team.....but it's the ****ing truth. Unless they draft a QB at #1.....this year is going to be the year that everyone comes back to.

If Geno Smith ends up being a Top 10 QB.....then they failed.
If Matt Barkley ends up being a Top 10 QB.....then they failed.

They had a shot to grab EITHER ONE of those QBs at #1.....and they chose to pass for a 27 year old game manager.

And you know what....I blame the fans for this. I blame the fans because I'm sick and ****ing tired of hearing from this fan base that they don't want to struggle for a year or two with a rookie QB. I blame the fans for being happy with the mediocrity that is 8-8 or 10-6 and getting killed in the 1st round of the playoffs. It's because of fans like that...that we're stuck with retread QBs every few years.
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I'm seriously tired of this ****ing bullshit argument.

I did that in 2009 and got the last 4 years as a ****ing reward for doing it. Do you think that the Lions fans sat there and did the whole...."well...he drafted another WR....he knows what he's doing!"? It's a ****ing bullshit argument by the fans who love 8-8 and having fun at a tailgate.

Fool me once....shame on you. Fool me twice....shame on me.

Andy Reid and John Dorsey don't get my undivided devotion. I don't care if people think that's not fair and that I'm not a fan of this team.....but it's the ****ing truth. Unless they draft a QB at #1.....this year is going to be the year that everyone comes back to.

If Geno Smith ends up being a Top 10 QB.....then they failed.
If Matt Barkley ends up being a Top 10 QB.....then they failed.

They had a shot to grab EITHER ONE of those QBs at #1.....and they chose to pass for a 27 year old game manager.

And you know what....I'm blame the fans for this. I blame the fans because I'm sick and ****ing tired of hearing from this fan base that they don't want to struggle for a year or two with a rookie QB. I'm blame the fans for being happy with the mediocrity that is 8-8 or 10-6 and getting killed in the 1st round of the playoffs. It's because of fans like that...that we're stuck with retread QBs every few years.
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Very good write-up Flop, well done.

But I just want to say, this is going to fail. It's going to fail at an epic capacity. We will want to burn down the stadium in a couple years it will fail so badly...

Lets say this somehow works for a couple 3 years. The best we will ever see is a 9 to 11 game winning season, We will NEVER overtake the with Peyton Manthing. Alex Smith will NOT take us deep into the playoffs.

This "clutch" factor that you speak of doesnt exist in my opinion. The guy is TERRIBLE on third downs when he is needed the most. Clay pointed out yesterday how bad Smiths record is when opposing teams score 24 or more. Alex Smith's career record when the opponent scores at least 24 points: 2-27-1. So he certainly cant bring us back in a game.

**** that.

His best seasons were in a run first offense. The polar opposite of Reids offense. I've tried to wrap my head around this for the better part of 24 hours. I just don't see it. My signature tells the whole story.
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If Smith was so good and clutch, Harbough would of kept him and never drafted Kap in the first place

He has been a mediocre qb throughout his career, even Harbough knew he was limited

That is what I don't understand. Why is he good enough when the guy who got the most out of him didn't even fully believe in him?
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