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Old 02-28-2013, 08:29 AM  
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I'm going to make a lot of you ill with this thread

I wanted Geno Smith as much as anyone here. But I'm an it is what it is guy. So I started last night trying to find some kind of bright side to this whole fiasco. I've written the following piece, and am looking forward to being skewered for it.

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The Alex Smith Experiment

Let it be known, I was in mourning all day yesterday. I had hitched my wagons so tightly to Geno Smith or some other young, QB stud coming out of this year's draft class that I never could bring myself to believe that the brilliant Andy Reid, and John Dorsey would actually trade for Alex Smith. Then they did. And I was crushed. I whined, complained, and proclaimed I could no longer care about this team. But I was born and raised inside the walls of this Kingdom. I could never pack my bags and walk away.

So I started thinking about what all of this meant. The first thing that came to mind was that it was obvious our new leadership didn't see what I saw in this year's crop of field generals. They agreed with the majority of people out there saying there was very, very little to be excited about out of the QB's entering the NFL this year. It also occurred to me that they must have thought very highly of Alex Smith considering the compensation that is being rumored to be given up for him. And I wondered if all the work we put in with Save Our Chiefs last year was in vein.

I mean, we've seen this movie. Over, and over, and over again. This is the 5th 49er retread this franchise has brought in for us over the last 25 years. And the great Joe Montana was the only one that has provided us with a playoff win. So naturally my thought process was “Here we go again! New Chiefs, same as the old Chiefs!”

Then I started doing my homework and watching the last couple of years of Alex Smith. This is a what have you done for me lately league, so I wasn't really worried about his first few years in the league. Coaching changes year after year, and no real continuity was what greeted him to the league. Jim Harbaugh came in and 2011 Alex Smith made some instant strides. I saw some things out of him that have now convinced me that this time the sequel could be better than the original. Here are some reasons I believe Alex Smith can help lead us to the promised land.

1. Leadership. Probably the most important thing a QB has to have, and something that has lacked in KC for the last couple of years. 2012 was a huge indicator of that. The Chiefs didn't believe in their QB and their play reflected it. On both sides of the ball. Alex Smith didn't have a contract with the 49ers the year of the lockout. Yet it was widely reported he still got his hands on Jim Harbaugh's new playbook and organized practices with his teammates. They rallied around him, and the proof is in the pudding. A muffed punt away from the Super Bowl.

2. Clutch. He has it. Tons of it. The biggest indicator was in his first playoff game. Back and forth, and they fell behind with around a minute left in the game. Alex marched them down the field and on a 3rd and 3 with his team in field goal position, he made his best pass of the entire game to score the game winning TD. On the biggest stage of his life. His coach could've easily played it safe and went for over time, but he believed in Alex. And that belief paid off with a win.

3. Field awareness. I watched a lot of tape. When Alex got loose of the pocket and had to scramble, he knew where the first down marker was. I watched him twist, and turn. Take hits, and deliver hits to get to that first down marker. No fetal position from Alex Smith. He went for it. Consistantly.

4. Progressions. I watched him go through progressions when he needed too. I haven't seen a lot of Alex locking onto a guy and just winging it in there regardless of coverage. That said, I've also seen him wing that ball in between two defenders where only his guy can catch the ball. And there's enough strength in his throws that the ball is there before the defender can respond too it.

5. Coaching. It took an elite coach to get the very best out of Alex Smith. And when he received that, he excelled instantaneously. What better coach, or situation could Alex Smith go to right now and replicate that success? There isn't one. This is it. Coach Reid, and our squad has the talent to put around Alex, and the ability to give him further insight, and tutilege to enhance, and grow his game.

6. Intangibles. This guy has a fire burning inside of him right now. He finally, finally got a head coach who was able to work with him, and he learned the system. He took his team to the brink of the Super Bowl and didn't get there due to no fault of his own. The very moment he was hurt, he was yanked, replaced, and watched his team go to the same spot that he himself probably could've led them too. He's the hungriest man in professional football right now, maybe in all of professional sports. He has something to prove, and he has a chip on his shoulder. And the way he conducted himself throughout that entire process as it unfolded last year was the mark of a leader.

7. History. Time and time again we've seen the stats that 1st round QB's win Super Bowls. We have not only a 1st round QB in Alex, but the very first pick in the draft. This is what we all wanted. Not how we envisioned it, but history is now on our side.

So there you have it. I've gone through mourning, and I've done my homework. I believe in our coach, and our new general manager, and I do not believe this in any way, shape, or form is remniscent of Scott *****, and the moves he made when he came to Kansas City. And I think that is truly our biggest fear. Because this move looks SO closely like the one Scooter made when he came to town, that we are all going to be relegated to that kind of failure over the next half decade.

I just don't think so. I think we have a former number 1 overall pick, that was the consensus number 1 at the time. This isn't a guy who backed up Matt Leinart in college. He played, and he played well. And again, this is a what have you done for me lately league. Alex has grown immensely in the last 2-3 years and has shown he has the ability to make the plays, make the throws, use his legs, and win when the game is on the line.

This is the new face of the franchise. Join me in optimism. Let this Kingdom stand tall, and proud, and root our warriors onto victory. We have our field general. And he's proven recently that he has the ability to lead our troops to victory.

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Old 02-28-2013, 10:16 AM   #106
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He also wasn't the reason we won games. Willie Roaf, Will Shields, Priest Holmes (and in 2003 Dante Hall) were the reason.
BAM. Although I wouldn't just name Roaf & Shields, that o line may have been the best in history and made Holmes & Green as good as they were. But I think Green was a more accurate passer than Cassel too.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:17 AM   #107
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:18 AM   #108
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I'm not scared, but you do need some type of back up plan.



Yes I am, I live and breath the Chiefs, I take the good and the bad.
Trading 2 second round picks is not a backup plan. It's your whole ****ing plan.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:20 AM   #109
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According to the reports, the 2014 pick is conditional, and is only a 2nd if we make the playoffs. Is that a bad thing?
I think two picks, especially when one is a 2nd this year, is a shitty deal for Alex Smith. You can speculate beyond that all you want
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:20 AM   #110
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:21 AM   #111
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Is it a bad thing that we make the playoffs? Yeah....because two things will happen.

1. We'll get ****ing destroyed by actual teams (see Broncos, Ravens, Patriots or Texans)

2. Alex Smith will get a contract extension (if he hasn't already by then).
If the future is already written on the wall, then whats the point? Why even have football? Or anything related to football? Its a ****ing game. Hell, our local boys basketball team entered substate as a 6th seed and they just beat a fairly decent 3 seed to advance. Being pissed off you didn't get your way doesn't change the success the team could have.

Also, if the reports are true and he hasn't been extended as part of this trade, an extension, like you said, would come on the heels of a playoff appearance which would be the result of...wait for it...solid play. I know it goes against the geno-boner, but I fail to see that being the destined outcome of ultimate doom.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:23 AM   #112
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According to the reports, the 2014 pick is conditional, and is only a 2nd if we make the playoffs. Is that a bad thing?
I forgot to add: If we go to the playoffs and lose the first game we play, yes, it sucks, and I have seen that movie before (several times).
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:23 AM   #113
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I think two picks, especially when one is a 2nd this year, is a shitty deal for Alex Smith. You can speculate beyond that all you want
Taking on his current contract AND giving up the 2nd this year is steep. Not arguing that. But, I'm going to roll with Reid/Dorsey until the wheels start coming off. They haven't lost anything yet. They know more about this shit than I ever will.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:23 AM   #114
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Seriously? You'll be happy if he's Trent Green? How many playoff wins did that get us again?

I'm tired of people acting like Trent was some great QB. He was serviceable. He wasn't a franchise QB and he was never going to be 'great'.
Yeah, well I'm tired of people acting like Trent not being able to get wins was somehow his fault. The guy led a top 5 offense for 4 years while here. It was coach Vermeil's and management's fault for not getting him any kind of help on defense.

Hell, the game in the playoffs against the Colts was a great game for Trent. Was it his fault the defense could not force the Colts to punt? Was it his fault that Priest Holmes fumbled on the first drive of the 2nd half? No. So shut up with that nonsense!
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:24 AM   #115
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:24 AM   #116
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A few things to consider, some good some bad -

We will need a more than adequate backup. Smith has only played 16 games twice, sometimes because of injury, sometimes because of suckage.

62 TDs vs. 32 Ints since 2009, completing over 60 percent of his passes since 2009. It's obvious the guy is coming into his own.

He was super clutch in the playoffs last year. A lot of people forget that.

He's mobile and smart, which I don't think Cassel was at all. He ran a 4.7 40 and got a 40 out of 50 on the Wonderlic.

I'm very much in the hurry up and wait category. He's not the last QB we will acquire this offseason, so let's see who else we get and flame away then. Personally, I would LOVE to see us sign Bowe and Albert, trade back in the first, grab Millner or Austin, and use our extra pick on a QB. (Manuel, Bray, or Barkley would be fine with me)
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:24 AM   #117
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ALEX SMITH IS NOT TRENT GREEN.
Alex Smith's best two seasons - 188 yards/game

Trent's best two seasons - 270 yards/game (4300 yards per season)

Even Trent's "bad" first two seasons in KC were better than Smith's best (233 yards/game)

Smith wishes he was Trent Green
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:24 AM   #118
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7. History. Time and time again we've seen the stats that 1st round QB's win Super Bowls. We have not only a 1st round QB in Alex, but the very first pick in the draft. This is what we all wanted. Not how we envisioned it, but history is now on our side



Yeah but history really shows it mostly only works for the teams that actually draft them. Not 9 years later in their careers and traded to another team.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:24 AM   #119
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This is how I might feel, If I didn't live near SF, wasn't married to a 49ers fan, and hadnt watched Alex Smith fairly closely for years....

I am usually fairly reluctant to say things one way or another about players......unless I am fairly sure. I don't know anything about Geno, or any of the other players coming out except maybe Barkley....so I'm not commenting on them much.

I even held off saying bad shit (as all of you know) about Cassel for like 3 years because I wanted to give him a shot.

In this case, I'm pretty sure Smith isn't THAT much of an improvement. I feel confident in saying he isn't going to lead us to a ring in his 4-5 year window. I've watched his games, watched him.

There is a reason the 49ers benched him to start a guy who had played one NFL game, in the middle of a playoff run season.
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BAM. Although I wouldn't just name Roaf & Shields, that o line may have been the best in history and made Holmes & Green as good as they were. But I think Green was a more accurate passer than Cassel too.
Green was a great QB. Anyone remember what he did for St. Louis before he got injured? He was 28-32 before Rodney Harrison injured him. Sure, it was just preseason, but that is still an amazing stat. Yes, he was a system QB. But the system DV ran was perfect for his development and skill set. I truly believe that if he hadn't gotten injured, he would have been the QB to lead the Rams to the SB during the 1999 season.
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