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Old 03-04-2013, 05:06 PM  
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Ouch-Obama chooses the Jew hating Egyptian over American children

Kerry Announces $250 Million in U.S. Aid for Egypt
By MICHAEL R. GORDON

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Secretary of State John Kerry announced Sunday that the United States would provide $250 million in assistance to Egypt after Egypt’s president promised to move ahead with negotiations with the International Monetary Fund over economic reforms.

In a statement issued after his two-hour meeting with President Mohamed Morsi, Mr. Kerry said the aid decision reflected Egypt’s “extreme needs” and Mr. Morsi’s assurance that Egypt would reach an agreement with the I.M.F. after more than a year of talks over a $4.8 billion loan package.

The statement issued by Mr. Kerry noted that he and Mr. Morsi had discussed the need to ensure the fairness of Egypt’s coming elections, but it did not mention any specific political commitments the Egyptian president had made to receive the aid.

Parliamentary elections are scheduled for April. Some opposition groups have said they will boycott the vote because of what they see as an effort by Mr. Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood movement to dominate Egyptian politics.

American officials say that Mr. Kerry asserted that moving ahead with difficult economic changes in Egypt would require a degree of political consensus and was implicitly a promise of some political change.

The aid announced Sunday consists of two parts. One is a $190 million infusion for Egypt’s budget intended to address what Mr. Kerry said was the country’s “extreme needs.” That assistance has already been approved by Congress.

Mr. Kerry also pledged $60 million for the creation of a fund to support small businesses, which will provide “direct support to key engines of democratic change in Egypt, including Egypt’s entrepreneurs and its young people.”

As an incentive for Mr. Morsi to conclude an agreement with the I.M.F., Mr. Kerry said that he would work with Congress to get additional funds approved for Egypt once a deal was reached.

In May 2011, President Obama pledged $1 billion to support Egypt’s democratic revolution. The $190 million in aid announced on Sunday is the first disbursement of that pledge.

“In all my meetings, I conveyed a simple but serious message: The brave Egyptians who stood vigil in Tahrir Square did not risk their lives to see that opportunity for a brighter future squandered,” Mr. Kerry said. “I encouraged President Morsi to implement the homegrown reforms that will help his country secure an I.M.F. agreement, put Egypt on the path to establishing a firm economic foundation and allow it to chart its own course. He agreed and said that he plans to move quickly to do so.”

The I.M.F. wants Egypt to carry out a number of economic policy changes, including raising taxes and cutting energy subsidies, and it is seeking assurances that Mr. Morsi can rally the political support needed for those changes.

Mr. Kerry’s departure from Cairo was briefly delayed, news agencies said, because hundreds of supporters of the soccer club Al Ahly, known as ultras, blocked the road to the airport in a protest related to a court case about a soccer riot in Port Said last year.

But the motorcade made it to the airport, and Mr. Kerry flew to Saudi Arabia, his seventh stop on his nine-nation trip.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/wo...gypt.html?_r=0

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Old 03-05-2013, 06:28 PM   #31
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The president cannot "decide" to not spend money appropriated by Congress. He is required by law to spend it.

He can ask them to write a new appropriations bill if he wants (hint, he will in fact do this in the next couple weeks), but the president can't just ignore a law that has been passed because he doesn't like it.

People in this county seem to imagine presidents are kings. The whole fixation is insane.
Correct. So the thread title stands.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:30 PM   #32
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Correct. So the thread title stands.
It doesn't because there is no choice being made. Maybe a better one would be "Ouch - Obama obeys law."
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:33 PM   #33
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It doesn't because there is no choice being made. Maybe a better one would be "Ouch - Obama obeys law."
Completely false.

No law required Obama to give Egypt $250 million dollars on 3/3/2013.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:38 PM   #34
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Whatever law he is bound by, i'm sure there is some kind of fix in congress for this.

First the F-16's, now $250 million to a very shady regime... i can almost forgive the jets, because their military is the sanest institution in that country and having a little leverage with them cant hurt.

But all of that money to regime thats allowing all kinds of atrocities against minorities? trying to grant themselves dictatorial powers?

Yuck.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:59 PM   #35
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Completely false.

No law required Obama to give Egypt $250 million dollars on 3/3/2013.
State Department funding is separate from social services spending, this makes the thread title...completely false.

Honestly why are you still arguing about this? You can't possibly still believe in that thread title.
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:09 PM   #36
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State Department funding is separate from social services spending, this makes the thread title...completely false.

Honestly why are you still arguing about this? You can't possibly still believe in that thread title.
If you want to point to some law that made Obama spend that money on Egypt instead of poor American disabled kids from his own rhetoric please do so.

You've already acknowledged the money could be re-appropriated. I'm not sure where you're going with this.
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:19 PM   #37
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If you want to point to some law that made Obama spend that money on Egypt instead of poor American disabled kids from his own rhetoric please do so.

You've already acknowledged the money could be re-appropriated. I'm not sure where you're going with this.
The law in question is called the Budget Control Act, and yes, the president is required to follow it.

I agree Congress can change the law, as the president has been loudly advocating for quite some time, but until they do its out of his hands.
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Do you really think the president gets to just choose where to spend money? That Obama "chooses the Jew hating Egyptian over American children"?

I hope you're not actually that dumb.

And to answer your last question, the "government" isn't obligated to do anything, and it is composed of multiple separate branches. The president is required by law to spend the amount of money Congress appropriates where Congress appropriates it. He can spend neither more nor less, and he cant arbitrarily shift it between agencies.
The President wasn't required to give this $250 mil to Egypt. Congress often gives the President some degree of discretion when it appropriates money.
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Whatever law he is bound by, i'm sure there is some kind of fix in congress for this.

First the F-16's, now $250 million to a very shady regime... i can almost forgive the jets, because their military is the sanest institution in that country and having a little leverage with them cant hurt.

But all of that money to regime thats allowing all kinds of atrocities against minorities? trying to grant themselves dictatorial powers?

Yuck.
It's distasteful, but I suspect we're worried that if we cut Egypt off, they'll be even worse, including going full blown antagonist in the Israeli/palestinian situation.
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The President wasn't required to give this $250 mil to Egypt. Congress often gives the President some degree of discretion when it appropriates money.
Furthermore, the Republicans in Congress have made several offers to pass legislation to allow the President to redistribute the cuts from the sequestration and the President has rejected all offers. The President wants his hands tied in this particular way. It really is his choice.
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Furthermore, the Republicans in Congress have made several offers to pass legislation to allow the President to redistribute the cuts from the sequestration and the President has rejected all offers. The President wants his hands tied in this particular way. It really is his choice.
He's a baby throwing a tantrum.
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The President wasn't required to give this $250 mil to Egypt. Congress often gives the President some degree of discretion when it appropriates money.
I agree. That doesn't make the headline less wrong.
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I agree. That doesn't make the headline less wrong.
OK. I don't think the headline was meant literally though.
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