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Old 03-05-2013, 10:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:52 PM   #196
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lol, he has his opinion on the quarterback and you sound like a giant d-bag just talking about the topic itself... And its funny you call him a bible thumper but if those bible thumpers hate on whatever you believe or dont believe in and laugh at your for thinking you turn into a tree when you die you get all offended i think if i met u in RL id slap you in the face and then piss on you
Threatening people?

Reported. Get a grip.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:53 PM   #197
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Especially since he opted out of SFO for that exact reason and possibility.
And we're supposed to give a **** because?

Alex Smith left because the new regime found a QB that was better than him and moved on.

If Alex Smith gets pissed because his new team drafts a QB in the first 3 rounds.....then Alex Smith is a pussy and doesn't deserve to be an NFL QB. This entire league is about competition.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:53 PM   #198
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I still believe there is a chance the Chiefs could take Geno. It depends on the compensation that the Chiefs have agreed to with the 49ers.

If it's truly this year's 2nd+ then i doubt it because they have decided that Alex Smith is the guy. An extension will be coming along with trade. If it's a swap of 2nd or something less then they could very well trade for Alex and draft Geno as a QBoTF.

Alex Smith will NOT be happy if the Chiefs draft a guy in the top 3 rounds though.
Too bad. That's never stopped other teams before. It's time the Chiefs be like that....
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:54 PM   #199
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AR will trade down, get something around #10 and then stock picks, probably get that 2nd rounder back as well

Smith will be the man for a year or two while AR searches for that franchise QB
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:55 PM   #200
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If they have traded as much as been rumored than i don't see how they wouldn't follow up with a contract extension. A 1st(basically) and 3rd+ for a Quarterback means he is your guy ... period. I've heard rumors of possibly 4 draft picks being the cost.

You don't trade that much for a 2-year rental.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:58 PM   #201
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Too bad. That's never stopped other teams before. It's time the Chiefs be like that....
You don't care if you QB gets pissed at the end of his run with the team, not the beginning.

I know everyone hates the trade etc but if the Chiefs have traded that much for Alex Smith then they aren't going to want him pissed off from Day 1.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:58 PM   #202
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And we're supposed to give a **** because?

Alex Smith left because the new regime found a QB that was better than him and moved on.

If Alex Smith gets pissed because his new team drafts a QB in the first 3 rounds.....then Alex Smith is a pussy and doesn't deserve to be an NFL QB. This entire league is about competition.
I never stated you were to give a "shit".

I stated it made no reason to take Smith for such a high pick and then draft Geno Smith at number 1. You, nor anyone else here, have yet convinced me as to a logical reason this would happen. Sorry.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:58 PM   #203
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Again, Steve McNair sat his first two seasons with the Titans (at least a season and a half), and I'm thinking everyone here would let Geno sit for a season or two if the end result was a Super Bowl berth. There would be no crime in taking Geno. Our QB situation is far worse than our tackle situation, and Dorsey/Reid do seem to understand that you just won't win in this league without a capable QB. Unfortunately for Alex Smith, he doesn't seem to be quite so durable. The Chiefs need quarterback upgrades in the worst way. Hell, I wouldn't be against them beinging in Matt Moore while drafting Geno, and let Geno ride third string this year.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:59 PM   #204
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You don't care if you QB gets pissed at the end of his run with the team, not the beginning.
Evidently many here believe that is just what you do.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:00 PM   #205
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If they have traded as much as been rumored than i don't see how they wouldn't follow up with a contract extension. A 1st(basically) and 3rd+ for a Quarterback means he is your guy ... period. I've heard rumors of possibly 4 draft picks being the cost.

You don't trade that much for a 2-year rental.
1. We don't know exactly WHAT the compensation is.
2. You realistically can trade that for Alex Smith and let him play out the remainder of his 2 years. He hasn't proven shit and he's moving to an offense where he's going to be asked to do a lot more than he did in SF. Giving him a contract extension would be on the Cassel level of stupid.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:01 PM   #206
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I never stated you were to give a "shit".

I stated it made no reason to take Smith for such a high pick and then draft Geno Smith at number 1. You, nor anyone else here, have yet convinced me as to a logical reason this would happen. Sorry.
And it doesn't matter because you've already made up your mind. Nothing ANYONE says...no matter how logical it is....is going to make you change your mind.

FFS.....you thought the Browns should trade up for a LT.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:02 PM   #207
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I never stated you were to give a "shit".

I stated it made no reason to take Smith for such a high pick and then draft Geno Smith at number 1. You, nor anyone else here, have yet convinced me as to a logical reason this would happen. Sorry.
What other position on this team deserves more attention than quarterback at this point in time?

I couldn't care less if they used our first four picks on QB's int he draft. You absolutely, positively will NOT win in the NFL without AT LEAST above average play at the QB position.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:02 PM   #208
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in any case, there is very little reason left to pay dearly for Geno

at minimum, you can trade down and try to grab him later if he is still there, if he isn't then you go with Smith and stock draft picks and look to upgrade QB later on
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IF this front office takes a QB at 1.1 (be in Barkley or Geno Smith)....you're going to see 2 things.

1. Andy Reid will public ally declare that Alex Smith is his starting QB.
2. Geno/Barkley will not come off the bench at any time during that first season (barring an injury or an 0-16 season).
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:03 PM   #210
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I can see it happening.

The people arguing for why Geno at #1 to the Chiefs is still a conceivable and perhaps even logical pick are gonna get labeled dumbasses who believe that's what the Chiefs will do.

I just want to reiterate this right now: I don't believe there are more than a handful of people who believe Geno in a Chiefs uniform after the draft is very likely at all. But it's a possibility, and that's what we talk about on football forums.

If all we ever did was talk about shit that was likely or predictable, this would be Warpaint Forum, Arrowhead Addict, or one of those other shitty boards where fans don't have real opinions. They just sit back and say, "It's not my decision, let's just wait and see."
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