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Old 03-05-2013, 10:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:04 PM   #211
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I still believe there is a chance the Chiefs could take Geno. It depends on the compensation that the Chiefs have agreed to with the 49ers.

If it's truly this year's 2nd+ then i doubt it because they have decided that Alex Smith is the guy. An extension will be coming along with trade. If it's a swap of 2nd or something less then they could very well trade for Alex and draft Geno as a QBoTF.

Alex Smith will NOT be happy if the Chiefs draft a guy in the top 3 rounds though.
Alex Smith will also be pretty pissed if he has a really good year, gets knocked out for a couple of games (and history says it will happen to him) and then the team has to rely on Dick Stanzi to keep them in playoff contention.

Who would you rather take the reigns if something happens to ASmith-- Geno or Dick?
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:05 PM   #212
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:06 PM   #213
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You don't care if you QB gets pissed at the end of his run with the team, not the beginning.

I know everyone hates the trade etc but if the Chiefs have traded that much for Alex Smith then they aren't going to want him pissed off from Day 1.
We've heard dozens of stories over the last few weeks about how Smith was a great team player and never spoke out about the 15 dozen times he was benched. He'll be fine. It's a business.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:06 PM   #214
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It is not out of this world to believe that Andy Reid and John Dorsey view the gaping hole that we have at QB as the #1 priority to fix. They can simply do that by trading a 2nd round pick for Alex Smith and taking a QB at 1.1.

Alex Smith gives Andy Reid the opportunity to win now and bring a winning mentality back to this team. Geno Smith/Matt Barkley give Reid the opportunity to build for the future.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:07 PM   #215
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IF this front office takes a QB at 1.1 (be in Barkley or Geno Smith)....you're going to see 2 things.

1. Andy Reid will public ally declare that Alex Smith is his starting QB.
2. Geno/Barkley will not come off the bench at any time during that first season (barring an injury or an 0-16 season).
100% fine with me and 100% the right move IMO. Maybe Reid sees all the talent in the world in Geno but wants a year to coach him up while having a good game manager help install a winning attitude in the locker room by winning games. If we go 8-8 with Alex Smith and groom Geno while showing some of these young players what it feels like to win games Andy Reid is a genius.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:07 PM   #216
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1. We don't know exactly WHAT the compensation is.
2. You realistically can trade that for Alex Smith and let him play out the remainder of his 2 years. He hasn't proven shit and he's moving to an offense where he's going to be asked to do a lot more than he did in SF. Giving him a contract extension would be on the Cassel level of stupid.
1. You're right, we don't know what the compensation is and i have included that in my comments as a qualifying factor. I hope they didn't spend that much because IF they did then they don't consider Alex Smith a stopgap and we are unlikely to draft a QB until the 4-ish round or later.

2. You're just hoping ... possible but not likely.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:09 PM   #217
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100% fine with me and 100% the right move IMO. Maybe Reid sees all the talent in the world in Geno but wants a year to coach him up while having a good game manager help install a winning attitude in the locker room by winning games. If we go 8-8 with Alex Smith and groom Geno while showing some of these young players what it feels like to win games Andy Reid is a genius.
It's the best case scenario right now. I still only put it happening at like 30-35% though.

It makes more sense than drafting another 3-4 DE or a #2 CB.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:09 PM   #218
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It is not out of this world to believe that Andy Reid and John Dorsey view the gaping hole that we have at QB as the #1 priority to fix. They can simply do that by trading a 2nd round pick for Alex Smith and taking a QB at 1.1.

Alex Smith gives Andy Reid the opportunity to win now and bring a winning mentality back to this team. Geno Smith/Matt Barkley give Reid the opportunity to build for the future.
I keep going back to that opening press conference.

Andy Reid said, "We gotta do everything we can to find that next Len Dawson. Whether that means trading for a guy, drafting... maybe he's already here on the roster. But it's my job to find him."

Well, this certainly qualifies as "doing everything." They're leaving no stone unturned if they go this route.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:10 PM   #219
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Now that I sit here and read this and the responses, I think Reid/Dorsey are going for Barkley. I think they are going to try and convince a team to trade up for our pick to draft Geno, then they will slide back a bit, but still in the top 10, and take Barkley and use Alex as insurance to make sure Barkley heals properly.
I can see this as well
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:10 PM   #220
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I can see it happening.

The people arguing for why Geno at #1 to the Chiefs is still a conceivable and perhaps even logical pick are gonna get labeled dumbasses who believe that's what the Chiefs will do.

I just want to reiterate this right now: I don't believe there are more than a handful of people who believe Geno in a Chiefs uniform after the draft is very likely at all. But it's a possibility, and that's what we talk about on football forums.

If all we ever did was talk about shit that was likely or predictable, this would be Warpaint Forum, Arrowhead Addict, or one of those other shitty boards where fans don't have real opinions. They just sit back and say, "It's not my decision, let's just wait and see."
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:12 PM   #221
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We've heard dozens of stories over the last few weeks about how Smith was a great team player and never spoke out about the 15 dozen times he was benched. He'll be fine. It's a business.
To take this thought further, Kaepernick himself said that Alex wasn't only a complete stand up guy after he lost the starting gig, but was also a defacto coach on the sideline. Kap heaped a ton of praise on Alex for how he helped him come along.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:14 PM   #222
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To take this thought further, Kaepernick himself said that Alex wasn't only a complete stand up guy after he lost the starting gig, but was also a defacto coach on the sideline. Kap heaped a ton of praise on Alex for how he helped him come along.
Can't be. Frankie told me yesterday that Drafting Geno would create an immediate controversy and a volatile locker room.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:17 PM   #223
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To take this thought further, Kaepernick himself said that Alex wasn't only a complete stand up guy after he lost the starting gig, but was also a defacto coach on the sideline. Kap heaped a ton of praise on Alex for how he helped him come along.
Even if Alex Smith shits gold and gives Geno Smith a blowjob every day, it makes no sense. You don't trade a 1st and 3rd+ only to draft a QB with the 1st pick.

Picking up a guy like Hasselbeck or something would be the move. Garrard.


I know people don't want to give up hope but the cost of the Alex Smith trade will tell us a lot when we find out.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:23 PM   #224
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Even if Alex Smith shits gold and gives Geno Smith a blowjob every day, it makes no sense. You don't trade a 1st and 3rd+ only to draft a QB with the 1st pick.

Picking up a guy like Hasselbeck or something would be the move. Garrard.


I know people don't want to give up hope but the cost of the Alex Smith trade will tell us a lot when we find out.
I understand what you're getting at, but like I said to Wolfman, I really don't care what they throw at the quarterback position. Throw as many picks/free agents in there as it takes to get that position solidified.

We WILL NOT win anything in this league until the QB spot on this team is fixed, and that includes taking the best tackle/end/corner/receiver, or any other position out there. No quarterback (and these days, a backup QB as well), and you might as well just accept you won't win in the playoffs in spite of what happened in the regular season.
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