Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Royal Lounge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-05-2013, 10:03 AM  
Fat Elvis Fat Elvis is offline
Beard Merit Badge
 
Fat Elvis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Casino cash: $6558
The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
Posts: 6,745
Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Fat Elvis 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 05:51 PM   #541
KCWolfman KCWolfman is offline
Fall down 7 times, get up 8
 
KCWolfman's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan View Post
Lot's of screens
I am no fan of bringing in Geno as a #1, but I don't care how he gets his yards - screens or not.

Montana had tons of screens and utilized the tight end to maximum ability. Yards are yards.
__________________
How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!
Samuel Adams
Posts: 15,465
KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 05:52 PM   #542
DaneMcCloud DaneMcCloud is offline
Band
 
DaneMcCloud's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: The 'Wood
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
I realize that I can not prove this, and people are fine to disagree, but I personally believe that Blaine Gabbert and Mark Sanchez underachieved because they weren't on the bench as a year of on-the-job training.

The draft is about improving your team, and that doesn't always mean improving it immediately. The desire for instantaneous results is why GMs are generally awful at their jobs.
But with today's CBA, you sit a guy for a year and you have to decide before year four whether or not to pick up his option for year five. You'd be taking an awful and unnecessary risk.

If the #1 pick needs a year, don't take him.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER View Post
Geno > Cam
Quote:
Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB) View Post
Dane is gonna have to leave again after we draft Geno.

He faces monstrous backlash.
Posts: 48,886
DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.DaneMcCloud is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 05:53 PM   #543
KCWolfman KCWolfman is offline
Fall down 7 times, get up 8
 
KCWolfman's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
I realize that I can not prove this, and people are fine to disagree, but I personally believe that Blaine Gabbert and Mark Sanchez underachieved because they weren't on the bench as a year of on-the-job training.

The draft is about improving your team, and that doesn't always mean improving it immediately. The desire for instantaneous results is why GMs are generally awful at their jobs.
The desire of the GMs stem from their drastically reduced lives in the NFL if they are no longer productive (Peterson being a huge exception). If they don't produce big results within 2 to 3 seasons, with the trash other GMs left behind, fans and owners are unforgiving.
__________________
How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!
Samuel Adams
Posts: 15,465
KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.KCWolfman would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 05:54 PM   #544
Pestilence Pestilence is offline
Want a ride?
 
Pestilence's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Nor-Cal
Casino cash: $14412
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud View Post
But with today's CBA, you sit a guy for a year and you have to decide before year four whether or not to pick up his option for year five. You'd be taking an awful and unnecessary risk.

If the #1 pick needs a year, don't take him.
So you'd be ok taking a DE who would take upwards of 2-3 years to full reach his potential?
Posts: 45,450
Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 05:58 PM   #545
JASONSAUTO JASONSAUTO is online now
Thigpen for HOF
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: mid missouri
Casino cash: $13327
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud View Post
That would never fly with the fan base, media and most likely, the Hunts.

It's 2013. If the number one overall pick can't start, he'll have the bust label.

I can't believe that people actually believe that a move like that, in 2013, wouldn't be detrimental to the player and the team.
bust label after one year?

Wow. I, honestly can't believe you are typing some of the things you are.

Did black bob hack your account?
Posted via Mobile Device
Posts: 29,531
JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 05:58 PM   #546
JASONSAUTO JASONSAUTO is online now
Thigpen for HOF
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: mid missouri
Casino cash: $13327

Posted via Mobile Device
Posts: 29,531
JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 05:59 PM   #547
Pestilence Pestilence is offline
Want a ride?
 
Pestilence's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Nor-Cal
Casino cash: $14412
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCWolfman View Post
The desire of the GMs stem from their drastically reduced lives in the NFL if they are no longer productive (Peterson being a huge exception). If they don't produce big results within 2 to 3 seasons, with the trash other GMs left behind, fans and owners are unforgiving.
So then this would be the perfect time to do it. Dorsey and Reid are a gimme for 4-5 years barring a Pioli like collapse by year 4.
Posts: 45,450
Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pestilence is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 05:59 PM   #548
JASONSAUTO JASONSAUTO is online now
Thigpen for HOF
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: mid missouri
Casino cash: $13327
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan View Post
Lot's of screens
Come on man, you've seen the throws chart
Posted via Mobile Device
Posts: 29,531
JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 06:00 PM   #549
'Hamas' Jenkins 'Hamas' Jenkins is offline
Jesus was a Carpenter
 
'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Casino cash: $16688
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud View Post
But with today's CBA, you sit a guy for a year and you have to decide before year four whether or not to pick up his option for year five. You'd be taking an awful and unnecessary risk.

If the #1 pick needs a year, don't take him.
I actually think it's a far smaller risk.

Essentially you're weighing the benefit of his production as a rookie and that surplus value of him playing as opposed to paying him to sit against what he will become down the road.

I see it this way:

If a QB works out with a team he's not leaving before 35 unless a significant injury occurs.

If a QB doesn't work out, he's almost never getting a second contract, anyway.

You never draft quarterbacks for what they are, but what they will become. The Colts didn't draft Luck for what he gave them in 2012, but what he's going to give them from 2014-2022.

The cost of the first contract is sunk upon the draft pick, and it's significantly less deleterious than in the past.

I just think you have to approach the player independently.

If it were a RB, LB, OL, DL, or DB, I'd definitely agree with you, but QB is the position that experiences the greatest change from college to pro, and I think that if you believe a player will benefit more from observation than having their asses handed to him, it's not a red flag.
__________________
Die, Mauky, Die.
Posts: 59,468
'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 06:00 PM
JASONSAUTO
This message has been deleted by JASONSAUTO.
Old 03-06-2013, 06:01 PM   #550
JASONSAUTO JASONSAUTO is online now
Thigpen for HOF
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: mid missouri
Casino cash: $13327
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
I actually think it's a far smaller risk.

Essentially you're weighing the benefit of his production as a rookie and that surplus value of him playing as opposed to paying him to sit against what he will become down the road.

I see it this way:

If a QB works out with a team he's not leaving before 35 unless a significant injury occurs.

If a QB doesn't work out, he's almost never getting a second contract, anyway.

You never draft quarterbacks for what they are, but what they will become. The Colts didn't draft Luck for what he gave them in 2012, but what he's going to give them from 2014-2022.

The cost of the first contract is sunk upon the draft pick, and it's significantly less deleterious than in the past.

I just think you have to approach the player independently.

If it were a RB, LB, OL, DL, or DB, I'd definitely agree with you, but QB is the position that experiences the greatest change from college to pro, and I think that if you believe a player will benefit more from observation than having their asses handed to him, it's not a red flag.
this.

I would agree with you Dane if it was anything but a qb
Posted via Mobile Device
Posts: 29,531
JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 06:02 PM   #551
'Hamas' Jenkins 'Hamas' Jenkins is offline
Jesus was a Carpenter
 
'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Casino cash: $16688
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCWolfman View Post
The desire of the GMs stem from their drastically reduced lives in the NFL if they are no longer productive (Peterson being a huge exception). If they don't produce big results within 2 to 3 seasons, with the trash other GMs left behind, fans and owners are unforgiving.
I'm aware of that. It's still foolish and wrongheaded. By worrying about satiating desires for instant winning, they all but guarantee they'll never win, because they don't build the team sustainably, they put Bondo on it.
__________________
Die, Mauky, Die.
Posts: 59,468
'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 06:05 PM   #552
ChiefsandO'sfan ChiefsandO'sfan is offline
Alex Smith
 
ChiefsandO'sfan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Casino cash: $9010
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO View Post
Come on man, you've seen the throws chart
Posted via Mobile Device
Image and video hosting by TinyPic


What would you call it?
__________________
Posts: 17,278
ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 06:07 PM   #553
ChiefsandO'sfan ChiefsandO'sfan is offline
Alex Smith
 
ChiefsandO'sfan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Casino cash: $9010
when 73% of your throws are 10 yards or under you better be 70%
__________________
Posts: 17,278
ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 06:08 PM   #554
JASONSAUTO JASONSAUTO is online now
Thigpen for HOF
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: mid missouri
Casino cash: $13327
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan View Post



What would you call it?
I can't see what even you put there
Posted via Mobile Device
Posts: 29,531
JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.JASONSAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2013, 06:10 PM   #555
KCrockaholic KCrockaholic is offline
Sarcasm
 
KCrockaholic's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Olathe
Casino cash: $2650
The screens are one thing to look at, but like my chart shows, the area between 10 to 20 yards is what I'm more concerned about when looking at QB's.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Geno stats.png
Views:	25
Size:	7.9 KB
ID:	103867  
Posts: 15,426
KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.KCrockaholic is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:56 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.