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Old 03-06-2013, 03:23 PM  
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Rand Paul filibusters Brennan nomination for CIA director

“I will speak today until the president responds and says, ‘No, we won’t kill Americans in cafes. No, we won’t kill you at home at night,’” Mr. Paul said early on in the filibuster, which began at 11:47 a.m. and by early afternoon showed no signs of slowing down.

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Old 03-06-2013, 06:01 PM   #46
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No, it is not.

What may be "extraordinary" to you may not be to me.

Was Waco "extraordinary"? If we had drones then, should Janet Reno just have sent a couple in to take care of the trash and damn the casualties?

Was Ruby Ridge "extraordinary"?

Could a kidnapping situation or a bank robbery be "extraordinary"?

We had a President who couldn't decide on the definition of the words "is" and "alone". I don't want to decide which Americans live and die by one man's undefinable definition of the word "extraordinary". I can't believe any intelligent American would.
"Imminent" is the new "is."
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:01 PM   #47
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It's not Cosmo's problem. Kid was just stupid to be in the way.
You don't think there were any children or innocent civilians wounded or killed in Iraq when Bush was President? It's sad, but this happens all the time.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:02 PM   #48
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I don't know.
None of us do. He won't say.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:02 PM   #49
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"Cool with it"? No. But I know shit happens in war. Geez, have you spilled this many tears over every innocent person killed in a war?
Nope, not a single one. I do fear that a man who can decide by himself which Americans can live or die can just push a button and send guided fire directly to their face without having to explain why.

I guess you are fine with that.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:03 PM   #50
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We are doing this. This girl's disfigurement is on us. Why? It isn't enough for me that it was an easy way to kill a "bad guy."
If true, its tragic. If you're going to criticize every military action that has impacted a civilian, you've got a lot of bitching to do.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:03 PM   #51
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You don't think there were any children or innocent civilians wounded or killed in Iraq when Bush was President? It's sad, but this happens all the time.
Not in America it doesn't and it shouldn't
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:04 PM   #52
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Nope, not a single one. I do fear that a man who can decide by himself which Americans can live or die can just push a button and send guided fire directly to their face without having to explain why.

I guess you are fine with that.
One man being judge, jury and executioner violates our system.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:04 PM   #53
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Would it matter to you or Rand Paul what he said? Holder was asked a hypothetical and answered that he couldn't rule out that there could be some, possible, extraordinary situation... I think that's about as reasonable and honsest an answer as you can get.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:04 PM   #54
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You don't think there were any children or innocent civilians wounded or killed in Iraq when Bush was President? It's sad, but this happens all the time.
I am sure there were. And it is sad that casualties of war occur. That said, are you alright with a single human being in our country having the power to say which Americans AND AMERICAN CHILDREN are alright to kill without having to support his/her position?

Why do we have so many tangents for such a simple fact directly in our faces?
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:05 PM   #55
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It's not Cosmo's problem. Kid was just stupid to be in the way.
So, you're real peacenik now? Has there been a war that didn't have civilian casaulties? This is a seperate issue from Obama and drones or any of that. You're full of shit.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:07 PM   #56
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There was a good article on Obamabots using arguments Republicans used, on things they were against because Bush did them. But are defending Obama because, well it's Obama.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:08 PM   #57
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So, you're real peacenik now? Has there been a war that didn't have civilian casaulties? This is a seperate issue from Obama and drones or any of that. You're full of shit.

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This follows a long line of fusion center and DHS reports labeling broad swaths of the public as a threat to national security. The North Texas Fusion System labeled Muslim lobbyists as a potential threat; a DHS analyst in Wisconsin thought both pro- and anti-abortion activists were worrisome; a Pennsylvania homeland security contractor watched environmental activists, Tea Party groups, and a Second Amendment rally; the Maryland State Police put anti-death penalty and anti-war activists in a federal terrorism database; a fusion center in Missouri thought that all third-party voters and Ron Paul supporters were a threat; and the Department of Homeland Security described half of the American political spectrum as “right wing extremists.”


Who is Obama going to target in the US with drones?
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:09 PM   #58
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So, you're real peacenik now? Has there been a war that didn't have civilian casaulties? This is a seperate issue from Obama and drones or any of that. You're full of shit.
Again a dodge. Hell no, in fact, I supported attacking Sadam Hussein years before we actually did. The first time he shot at our aircraft defending the no fly zone, he was an enemy of our country. But this is a tangent.

Again, the idea we are discussing (and you and many others are dodging) is that a single American citizen has the power to say which Americans live or die without due process. If you are okay with this with a simple "extraordinary" definition, more power to your blind and asinine support. You are supporting a man wiping his ass with the American Constitution.

I plan to be more intelligent than that.
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No, it is not.

What may be "extraordinary" to you may not be to me.

Was Waco "extraordinary"? If we had drones then, should Janet Reno just have sent a couple in to take care of the trash and damn the casualties?

Was Ruby Ridge "extraordinary"?

Could a kidnapping situation or a bank robbery be "extraordinary"?

We had a President who couldn't decide on the definition of the words "is" and "alone". I don't want to decide which Americans live and die by one man's undefinable definition of the word "extraordinary". I can't believe any intelligent American would.
You're wanting an answer on possible undefined hypotheticals. Stop being an idiot.

But I am pretty sure that kidnapping suspects have been killed without a trial.
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You're wanting an answer on possible undefined hypotheticals. Stop being an idiot.

But I am pretty sure that kidnapping suspects have been killed without a trial.
I am sure they have as well. And ANYONE who has given the order to pull the trigger has had to answer why he did so and if he followed protocol.

Again, you are on a tangent to dodge your foolish support of a stupid decision by this President.
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