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Old 03-06-2013, 02:23 PM  
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Rand Paul filibusters Brennan nomination for CIA director

I will speak today until the president responds and says, No, we wont kill Americans in cafes. No, we wont kill you at home at night, Mr. Paul said early on in the filibuster, which began at 11:47 a.m. and by early afternoon showed no signs of slowing down.

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Old 03-06-2013, 05:49 PM   #91
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How did we make it 200+ years as a country without drone strikes on Americans?
The same way we made it without iPhones and GPS and anything else
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:49 PM   #92
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:50 PM   #93
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How did we make it 200+ years as a country without drone strikes on Americans?
I don't know. Without a signed protocol, I can't believe Presidents haven't been killing Americans all willy nilly.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:51 PM   #94
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:53 PM   #95
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I don't know. Without a signed protocol, I can't believe Presidents haven't been killing Americans all willy nilly.
You might want to google "US Presidents killing people."
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:56 PM   #96
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Again, tangent.

Don't you want written documentation on when drones should and should not be used?

Why not?
Sure, that's fine. But there's always the unknown situation.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:59 PM   #97
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I didn't vote for Obama, so calling me a sheep means nothing to me. I just don't see the need to spend any energy worrying that the POTUS is sitting in his office making the decision on which American citizens he is going to kill next and do it on American soil. If you do, fine. It's your time and energy, waste it however you want.
I guess the Jimmy Carter initiative prohibiting assassination of world leaders was a waste of time as well, using your logic.

I would define a waste of time being more like Initiating a Sequestration Law, blame others for the law, and then spend weeks lying to people about how bad it is going to be. THAT is a waste of time. I wish 1/21st of that time was spent on a simple statement regarding protecting American rights instead.

I personally don't find supporting the Bill of Rights a waste of time. I guess others do.
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Sure, that's fine. But there's always the unknown situation.
What situation would be Unknown allowing a POTUS to decide to kill an American on American soil without due process?
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The same way we made it without iPhones and GPS and anything else
I didn't realize we could kill people from thousands of miles away without due process with an iPhone. Can you give me a link on how to do so?
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:01 PM   #100
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We've had knives far longer. I assume from your response that you would be OK with government sponsored assassins shadowing every American citizen on a 24 hour basis?
No, not "OK" with it. This is about the sudden obsession with drones. My statement was simply that I don't see what has changed. Drones are machines that can fly and do surveillance and/or can be fitted with a weapon to shoot someone. All of that existed before the invention of the particular thing we call a drone. Snipers and assassins also exsited.
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I don't know. Without a signed protocol, I can't believe Presidents haven't been killing Americans all willy nilly.
It would be as silly as demanding protocol for torture of prisoners of war.

Why did we waste our time with the last Administration?
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You might want to google "US Presidents killing people."
Why would I want to do that when I specifically said Americans. Do you honestly think you are in danger of being blown to bits by a drone attack while sitting in your living room?
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It would be as silly as demanding protocol for torture of prisoners of war.

Why did we waste our time with the last Administration?
I don't know why we wasted our time. If you choose to be a terrorist, associate with terrorists, or support any causes of terrorists, all bets are off and any torture you receive in my eyes is justified.
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I don't understand your need for blind allegiance to a man who refuses to give up total control. It is like watching a chicken defend Colonel Sanders.
This is about an issue, not a person. I'm not for killing Americans with drones or anything else. Generally, I'm not for killing anyone with anything. But its stupid to make a blanket statement that there could never be an exception to anything.
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No, not "OK" with it. This is about the sudden obsession with drones. My statement was simply that I don't see what has changed. Drones are machines that can fly and do surveillance and/or can be fitted with a weapon to shoot someone. All of that existed before the invention of the particular thing we call a drone. Snipers and assassins also exsited.
Snipers need live orders or they are murderers. Those that order the sniper are subject to the same review. There are written protocols for these people and their actions.

The President deciding not to define when a drone can and cannot be used does worry me.

Perhaps you believe the drones fall under the exact same category as a sniper? If so, and if the President believes so, then state thus and let's make it a law.

Hooray - Problem easily solved. I wonder why he won't do so? Don't you? Perhaps he should have been doctoring a statement instead of golfing while desperately documenting how bad this horrible sequestration will be?
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