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Old 03-06-2013, 02:23 PM  
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Rand Paul filibusters Brennan nomination for CIA director

I will speak today until the president responds and says, No, we wont kill Americans in cafes. No, we wont kill you at home at night, Mr. Paul said early on in the filibuster, which began at 11:47 a.m. and by early afternoon showed no signs of slowing down.

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Old 03-06-2013, 06:10 PM   #106
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Given Rand Paul's start time of 10:47am central, here's how long he needs to go to break various records:

8th-longest: 1:01 am central.
#7: 2:02 am
#6: 2:18 am
#5: 3 am
#4: 5:11 am
#3: 9:14 am
#2: 10:18 am
#1: (Strom Thurmond's record) 11:06 am
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:12 PM   #107
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What situation would be Unknown allowing a POTUS to decide to kill an American on American soil without due process?
I really don't know. But we've already established that law enforcement has to kill people from time to time without due process, such as a kidnapper holding a hostage.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:14 PM   #108
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No, not "OK" with it. This is about the sudden obsession with drones. My statement was simply that I don't see what has changed. Drones are machines that can fly and do surveillance and/or can be fitted with a weapon to shoot someone. All of that existed before the invention of the particular thing we call a drone. Snipers and assassins also existed.
Drones work in substantially different ways than a jet or a helicopter. It's a breakthrough in technology that needs to be addressed. Especially if it is going to be used by our own government, on our own soil, against our own citizens.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:16 PM   #109
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This is about an issue, not a person. I'm not for killing Americans with drones or anything else. Generally, I'm not for killing anyone with anything. But its stupid to make a blanket statement that there could never be an exception to anything.
You realize that the Westboro Baptists have been labeled "Domestic Terrorists" by the FBI. So has the 99% Occupiers. Gangs of vandals in urban areas have been labeled as "Terrorists" by the authorities.

Using your lack of definition the President would have the right to kill these people with drones.

There is a HUGE need for definition since we have seen that an American can be killed by executive order without due process. "Arbitrary" should not exist in law.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:18 PM   #110
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I really don't know. But we've already established that law enforcement has to kill people from time to time without due process, such as a kidnapper holding a hostage.
Yes, and we have established that those people are subject to immediate review to assure they followed every protocol. We have failed to do that with this President.

When a cop shoots a kid, he goes on involuntary leave until review of the situation is complete. If we are comparing the drone situation to this one, shouldn't President Obama step down and give the reins to Vice President Biden until review is complete? If you want to follow the same rules, follow them all - not just those that suit you.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:19 PM   #111
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Why would I want to do that when I specifically said Americans. Do you honestly think you are in danger of being blown to bits by a drone attack while sitting in your living room?
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:19 PM   #112
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Snipers need live orders or they are murderers. Those that order the sniper are subject to the same review. There are written protocols for these people and their actions.

The President deciding not to define when a drone can and cannot be used does worry me.

Perhaps you believe the drones fall under the exact same category as a sniper? If so, and if the President believes so, then state thus and let's make it a law.

Hooray - Problem easily solved. I wonder why he won't do so? Don't you? Perhaps he should have been doctoring a statement instead of golfing while desperately documenting how bad this horrible sequestration will be?
Sure, protocol away. And I'm sure that will satisfy the nuts who believe Obama is gearing up for a war against us or that he wants to send a drone strike into your bedroom while you sleep.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:19 PM   #113
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I don't know why we wasted our time. If you choose to be a terrorist, associate with terrorists, or support any causes of terrorists, all bets are off and any torture you receive in my eyes is justified.
Who defines terrorism? As in you disagree with gun control or take a stance of disagreeing with our government on any issue. Does this give the right for someone to be tortured of killed?
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:20 PM   #114
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Ugh, why can't you sheep just address the issue? Is it truly that hard to follow?

We need in writing and SIGNED by the POTUS when a drone can and CANNOT be used against American citizens.

Why are you being so dense about something so simple as a Bill of Rights application?
Don't paint with that wide brush.

I think this is something that should happen ASAP. Publicly announce and let it start its trip through the courts.
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Drones work in substantially different ways than a jet or a helicopter. It's a breakthrough in technology that needs to be addressed. Especially if it is going to be used by our own government, on our own soil, against our own citizens.
Not substantial. The pilot sits in room somewhere far away instead of the cockpit. Someone flies it and presses a button to shoot the bad guy.
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Sure, protocol away. And I'm sure that will satisfy the nuts who believe Obama is gearing up for a war against us or that he wants to send a drone strike into your bedroom while you sleep.
Personally, I don't believe the President is a machine out to destroy this country. However, unless you plan on him being President until the United States is no longer a nation, we NEED this protocol. And the President has most assuredly been told this - he has just chosen to ignore it.
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Don't paint with that wide brush.

I think this is something that should happen ASAP. Publicly announce and let it start its trip through the courts.
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Not substantial. The pilot sits in room somewhere far away instead of the cockpit. Someone flies it and presses a button to shoot the bad guy.
Assuming it IS a bad guy.
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I checked, your on the watch list. At least your not on the kill on sight list.
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Not substantial. The pilot sits in room somewhere far away instead of the cockpit. Someone flies it and presses a button to shoot the bad guy.
So...why are they being used overseas instead of jets and helicopters then?
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