U.S. Issues Top DHS checkpoint refusals

Deberg_1990 · 03-08-2013, 01:54 PM

Interesting...This is how you resist tyranny....warrentless, unconstitutional checkpoints.

BucEyedPea · 03-08-2013, 02:19 PM

Saw some of those. They're awesome!

listopencil · 03-08-2013, 02:29 PM

Love it.

Brock · 03-08-2013, 02:33 PM

Where was this?

Garcia Bronco · 03-08-2013, 02:34 PM

Personally I would just answer the question, because I am proud of it.

listopencil · 03-08-2013, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

Where was this?

One of the drivers mentioned Laredo, so Texas at least once.

scott free · 03-08-2013, 02:41 PM

I dont see what the big deal is about just saying yes, i'm an american citizen.

Anything beyond that, it might be different.

cosmo20002 · 03-08-2013, 02:58 PM

Not sure anyone would celebrate the driver being a dick.

You want border security but don't want to be subject to answering a question upon re-entering the country?

gblowfish · 03-08-2013, 02:59 PM

Just sign ze papers, old man...

listopencil · 03-08-2013, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Not sure anyone would celebrate the driver being a dick.

You want border security but don't want to be subject to answering a question upon re-entering the country?

Not sure why someone would support police intimidation with the intent to promote stopping and searching of American citizens. If you want strong border security perhaps you should try enacting control at the actual border.

BucEyedPea · 03-08-2013, 03:17 PM

This isn't the only video of such incidents.

Deberg_1990 · 03-08-2013, 03:20 PM

Is the officer at 11:16 retarded???

cosmo20002 · 03-08-2013, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

This isn't the only video of such incidents.

Asking a question = incident

Secure the border! Just don't ask me a simple question when I enter the country!

gblowfish · 03-08-2013, 03:47 PM

In Australia they ask you "Are you a Poofter?"

jettio · 03-08-2013, 03:52 PM

I noted that the tape that ended at the 11:00 mark, was one where he screwed himself by generating reasonable suspicion by not pulling over to the checkpoint.

Probably no coincidence that he does not show that one to its conclusion.

It seems like the border agents where quite professsional.

Constitutionally, according to the Supreme Court, law enforcement can always ask for your name and identification, even without reasonable suspicion. Unless, there is something about there being a checkpoint without reasonable suspicion that changes that.

Seems to me that it is reasonable to have immigration checkpoints in border areas.

It would have been interesting to see how the agents would have handled it if he immediately said that he was a citizen. Unless they are using that answer as a foot in the door to ask unreasonable follow-up, seems like he is just having a ball.

I think it would be better if he tried to do that at the beginning of a shift and when there is less possibility of creating a bottleneck at the checkpoint. Seems like every situation involved that pressure on the agents. Seemed like they let him go to avoid delaying other drivers.

Seemed like the one situation where there was not bottleneck pressure was the one he screwed up and gave the officer a basis for reasonable suspicion and the one that he did not show to conclusion.

Interesting to watch, but I am sure that it is selectively edited and incomplete.

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03-08-2013, 02:19 PM	#2
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03-08-2013, 02:33 PM	#4
Brock Do it. Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $142428	Where was this?
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Garcia Bronco No Keys, No Problem Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver Casino cash: $59478	Personally I would just answer the question, because I am proud of it.
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03-08-2013, 02:41 PM	#7
scott free ask for it by name Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: district 6 Casino cash: $3129654	I dont see what the big deal is about just saying yes, i'm an american citizen. Anything beyond that, it might be different.
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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $3132688	Just sign ze papers, old man...
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03-08-2013, 03:17 PM	#11
BucEyedPea Frazod Loves Hammy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: None of your business Casino cash: $48568	This isn't the only video of such incidents. __________________ "In government, the scum rises to the top."~ Hayek
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03-08-2013, 03:20 PM	#12
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03-08-2013, 03:47 PM	#14
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $3132688	In Australia they ask you "Are you a Poofter?"
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03-08-2013, 03:52 PM	#15
jettio MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $20248	I noted that the tape that ended at the 11:00 mark, was one where he screwed himself by generating reasonable suspicion by not pulling over to the checkpoint. Probably no coincidence that he does not show that one to its conclusion. It seems like the border agents where quite professsional. Constitutionally, according to the Supreme Court, law enforcement can always ask for your name and identification, even without reasonable suspicion. Unless, there is something about there being a checkpoint without reasonable suspicion that changes that. Seems to me that it is reasonable to have immigration checkpoints in border areas. It would have been interesting to see how the agents would have handled it if he immediately said that he was a citizen. Unless they are using that answer as a foot in the door to ask unreasonable follow-up, seems like he is just having a ball. I think it would be better if he tried to do that at the beginning of a shift and when there is less possibility of creating a bottleneck at the checkpoint. Seems like every situation involved that pressure on the agents. Seemed like they let him go to avoid delaying other drivers. Seemed like the one situation where there was not bottleneck pressure was the one he screwed up and gave the officer a basis for reasonable suspicion and the one that he did not show to conclusion. Interesting to watch, but I am sure that it is selectively edited and incomplete. __________________ Where Ignorance is Bliss, 'Tis Folly to be Wise. __
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