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Old 03-08-2013, 09:34 PM  
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:27 PM   #31
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So for guns, we're just going to go with one particular gun for the number. But for blunt objects we're going to go with ALL "blunt objects." That seems like a fair an honest comparison.
Where is the picture for all gun deaths? Is this a Fox News graphic?
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:35 PM   #32
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Where is the picture for all gun deaths? Is this a Fox News graphic?
It might be of interest to add an "all gun deaths" category to show how minuscule the "assault weapons problem" really is. But you understand that anti-gun nuts are trying, at least for now, to pass an "assault weapons ban" not an "all guns ban", right?
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:42 PM   #33
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:42 PM   #34
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It might be of interest to add an "all gun deaths" category to show how minuscule the "assault weapons problem" really is. But you understand that anti-gun nuts are trying, at least for now, to pass an "assault weapons ban" not an "all guns ban", right?
I don't consider them all nuts but yes I know that assault weapons are being targeted
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:54 PM   #35
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I don't consider them all nuts but yes I know that assault weapons are being targeted
I consider them all nuts because there is no such thing as an "assault weapon"
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:00 PM   #36
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I consider them all nuts because there is no such thing as an "assault weapon"
Of course there is. It is just that they are already illegal to civilians with out a class 3 weapons permit.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:06 PM   #37
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Of course there is. It is just that they are already illegal to civilians with out a class 3 weapons permit.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:17 PM   #38
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I don't consider them all nuts but yes I know that assault weapons are being targeted
Then you should understand that this graphic is on point (even if you don't understand that they're all nuts).
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:43 PM   #39
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The hammer represents all blunt objects. The gun represents all assault weapons.
That's the problem with the graphic--no where does it say that. There's a picture of a gun with a number. And a picture of a hammer with a number. Stop being ridiculous.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:48 PM   #40
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That's the problem with the graphic--no where does it say that. There's a picture of a gun with a number. And a picture of a hammer with a number. Stop being ridiculous.
In this case you are correct. Pat made a mistake when typing out his post. The gun actually represents all rifles. So the number for assault rifles would be substantially less, assault rifles being a subset of rifles.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:57 PM   #41
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Does the hammer only represent traditional claw hammers or does it include mallets and sledgehammers as well ?
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Does the hammer only represent traditional claw hammers or does it include mallets and sledgehammers as well ?
I think this graphic is a little too sophisticated for you.
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I think this graphic is a little too sophisticated for you.
Or it's stupid and uses very broad categories for everything except what fits your agenda
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In this case you are correct. Pat made a mistake when typing out his post. The gun actually represents all rifles. So the number for assault rifles would be substantially less, assault rifles being a subset of rifles.
And, it also doesn't explain that either. It doesn't explain anything. It has pictures and numbers. If it needs all this explaining, it fails as anything useful.
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Or it's stupid and uses very broad categories for everything except what fits your agenda
It is pretty straightforward. It's taken from FBI homicide statistics. The top three images represent a weapon category on the FBI website. Rifles, blunt objects, knives. Consider that "assault rifles" are a subset of rifles, so the number would actually be below 323. Look at the definition of "assault rifle" used by the 1994-2004 AWB. Consider that nothing about an "assault rifle" makes one more convenient for mass shootings. Banning "assault rifles" would be about as silly, and effective, as banning hammers.
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